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[Spoutnik]

Sry to bury your expectations but I read that RBR solved their tyre deg issues

Well.... that aged like fine milk

So glad you were right about the Hamilton Perez thing, but Verstappen didn't have deg issues at all unfortunately

I didn't say he will get Verstappen, cause he know how to be gentle and fast with the tyre contrary to Perez.

[chrisc90]

Judging by the pace in Silverstone and Austria, it feels like Merc underperformed here, so chances are they might find a bit of pace on single laps again in Budapest with some added upgrades as well. But still, with a straight forward race, Verstappen and Leclerc are miles ahead. Max was controlling his pace today and still pulled a gap, so 3rd is the best to hope for until some serious gains are on the table from upgrades.

Races are often crazy in Hungary. Lewis is the specialist out there for pole, and SC will play a role.
Best chance of race win with the current package imo.

Best chance but still the merc's pace will not be enough, I'm afraid...

Yep. Seriously lacking pace to the top boys on Ferrari and red bull. Max and Charles pulled 1second a lap over Hamilton at the start of the race. That’s not just the 3 tenths that the team reckon, that’s a monstrous difference.

Lewis did pull a couple seconds back, but that was very short lived

[napoleon1981]

Judging by the pace in Silverstone and Austria, it feels like Merc underperformed here, so chances are they might find a bit of pace on single laps again in Budapest with some added upgrades as well. But still, with a straight forward race, Verstappen and Leclerc are miles ahead. Max was controlling his pace today and still pulled a gap, so 3rd is the best to hope for until some serious gains are on the table from upgrades.

Races are often crazy in Hungary. Lewis is the specialist out there for pole, and SC will play a role.
Best chance of race win with the current package imo.

Best chance but still the merc's pace will not be enough, I'm afraid...

The goal posts keep being moved. First the win would come in Silverstone, then France.... Now Hungary?

[Big Tea]

Races are often crazy in Hungary. Lewis is the specialist out there for pole, and SC will play a role.
Best chance of race win with the current package imo.

Best chance but still the merc's pace will not be enough, I'm afraid...

The goal posts keep being moved. First the win would come in Silverstone, then France.... Now Hungary?

Well not enough Ferraris and Red Bulls break down.

[Just_a_fan]

Races are often crazy in Hungary. Lewis is the specialist out there for pole, and SC will play a role.
Best chance of race win with the current package imo.

Best chance but still the merc's pace will not be enough, I'm afraid...

Yep. Seriously lacking pace to the top boys on Ferrari and red bull. Max and Charles pulled 1second a lap over Hamilton at the start of the race. That’s not just the 3 tenths that the team reckon, that’s a monstrous difference.

Lewis did pull a couple seconds back, but that was very short lived

He was holding back Perez in a faster car, of course, which wouldn't have helped his pace compared to the two at the front that were both going flat out. Once Perez was broken and started to drop back, the gap between Hamilton and the front two averaged out at about 0.5s per lap - 7s at the end of lap 15. for example. That's still too much to fight for a win, of course.

And this is all off topic and should be discussed in the race thread rather than yet again derailing the team thread.

[Shrieker]

2nd and 3rd a good result, bun one that flatters the performance of the car. Realistically, they were looking at a 4th and 5th with Ferrari in the picture.

Maybe next weekend will be closer to Silverstone, thanks to no long straights ?

[PlatinumZealot]

No, less downforce generally means more tyre temperature and less life. You need to run at higher slip angles for similar race pace.

I think they're expecting to be in traffic and need the straightline speed.

That wasn’t true last race for redbull (they had an enormous rear wing) and this race they went for less DF. I don’t think that “old” adage still is true this season with the ground effect. And Ofcourse wing settings arent the only factor for tire life/heating them up.

Less slip means longer tyre life. Generally lower downforce has a lower threshold for slip, so you need to drive a bit slower in the corners to maintain tyre life with a low downforce setup. Higher downforce gives more margin for pushing in the corners without hurting the tyres.

[PlatinumZealot]

Merc still has a lot to do. No other team is using this zero side pod design. Look at Mclaren they have moved towards what is more like a red bull design and they qualified 5th. So where is this drag comming from, zero side pods?

The sidepods might be slimmer, at the top part anyway, but other parts are not. The engine cover higher up is pretty 'fat' and this concept also exposes the rear tyres a lot more. I don't think (but this is guess work, I am not a aerodynamica specialist) that was never designed to have low drag. It is designed to have more downforce.

I btw think that the term 'zero-pods' is pretty exaggerated. They are very different in shape, but they are still very much there:
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/upl ... _HiRes.jpg

Honda had a "size zero" engine, so zero-pods is a justified name I would say!

[PlatinumZealot]

Races are often crazy in Hungary. Lewis is the specialist out there for pole, and SC will play a role.
Best chance of race win with the current package imo.

Best chance but still the merc's pace will not be enough, I'm afraid...

Yep. Seriously lacking pace to the top boys on Ferrari and red bull. Max and Charles pulled 1second a lap over Hamilton at the start of the race. That’s not just the 3 tenths that the team reckon, that’s a monstrous difference.

Lewis did pull a couple seconds back, but that was very short lived

I calculated just under 0.5 seconds per lap in the first stint. Not bad for a car that wasn't working. It might be within a tenth in Hungary!

[chrisc90]

Best chance but still the merc's pace will not be enough, I'm afraid...

Yep. Seriously lacking pace to the top boys on Ferrari and red bull. Max and Charles pulled 1second a lap over Hamilton at the start of the race. That’s not just the 3 tenths that the team reckon, that’s a monstrous difference.

Lewis did pull a couple seconds back, but that was very short lived

I calculated just under 0.5 seconds per lap in the first stint. Not bad for a car that wasn't working. It might be within a tenth in Hungary!

How do you get to .5secs when the gap at lap 10 was 10-11seconds? I’m sure on lap 6 it was 6 seconds too

[Sieper]

I feel the car looks like a stingray. Much more than the car that was called that anyway. It has the overal shape, the flatness with hump in the middle, the gills. Just lacks a tail.

[Hammerfist]

Yep. Seriously lacking pace to the top boys on Ferrari and red bull. Max and Charles pulled 1second a lap over Hamilton at the start of the race. That’s not just the 3 tenths that the team reckon, that’s a monstrous difference.

Lewis did pull a couple seconds back, but that was very short lived

I calculated just under 0.5 seconds per lap in the first stint. Not bad for a car that wasn't working. It might be within a tenth in Hungary!

How do you get to .5secs when the gap at lap 10 was 10-11seconds? I’m sure on lap 6 it was 6 seconds too

The gap was around 6 sec by lap 10.
Once again your bias blinders make facts very blurry for you. Quite sad actually.

[organic]

I calculated just under 0.5 seconds per lap in the first stint. Not bad for a car that wasn't working. It might be within a tenth in Hungary!

How do you get to .5secs when the gap at lap 10 was 10-11seconds? I’m sure on lap 6 it was 6 seconds too

The gap was around 6 sec by lap 10.
Once again your bias blinders make facts very blurry for you. Quite sad actually.

Interval column showing Hamilton 6s back at lap 6.

Between lap 6 and 15 when Max pitted the gap built slowly from 6s to 7.5s and then the gap between Ham and Leclerc was around 10s.

[ringo]

The car seems to be maxed out. But also every other team thats not the top 2 seem stuck.
Mclaren improved but only enought to fight alpine. And alpine were hopong to fight mercedes but havent imrpoved much even with their new sidepods.
Maybe the technical directive is what's need to bog down ferarri and redbull.
At this rate charles is no challenge to Max so it will be a lonely show at the front for him.
Now he can get his undisputed wdc.

[Hammerfist]

How do you get to .5secs when the gap at lap 10 was 10-11seconds? I’m sure on lap 6 it was 6 seconds too

The gap was around 6 sec by lap 10.
Once again your bias blinders make facts very blurry for you. Quite sad actually.

https://i.imgur.com/oSBHgpY.png

Interval column showing Hamilton 6s back at lap 6.

Between lap 6 and 15 when Max pitted the gap built slowly from 6s to 7.5s and then the gap between Ham and Leclerc was around 10s.

Doesnt change the fact that it wasnt 10 sec in 10 laps like previously mentioned by one of verstappen’s most ardent fans.
Also we have to keep in mind that hamilton was defending from perez at the start so his rnergy deployment schedule was different and likely slowed him down somewhat.