2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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ha ha ok
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Sevach wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:00
The strategy team should get the boot with immediate effect... horrible.
What was wrong with Sainz today? Good lord no pace at all, car setup for one lap?
I would say bussines as usual from Sainz. His race craft is mediocre at best sadly, compared to leclerc

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mendis wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 16:58
Sainz is seriously poor quality driver. He just didn't make any impression for the whole of first stint and was just happily sitting behind Russell and blocking Leclerc. Ferrari race control and Mattia is incapable of taking strong decisions from that pitwall and then strategy team is there to completely destroy the races. They should have simply let Leclerc jump Sainz after a lap or two and then it could have been a far more decent situation. Was any team with a dominant car this bad ever in race management?
on that...i would ask - in all 11 races when has sainz realy chased down and passed a top4 car deiver ( Max, Charles, Perez ) on pure performance level on track ? has he ?

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Sevach wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:00
The strategy team should get the boot with immediate effect... horrible.
What was wrong with Sainz today? Good lord no pace at all, car setup for one lap?
Had to have been a bad direction with setup.

His last stint was absolutely nowhere.

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Shal_Leg16 wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 16:46
after this ... anyone who is working on that strategy thing for Ferrari should have some shame. some shame ffs....
Not sure how the tires get chosen but Ferrari had only 1 set of Mediums and 1 set of hards like everyone but HAM, Max, Per and Gas that had 2 sets of mediums, 1 used and 1 set of hard. So the strategies where a bit locked in from before the race.

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Recap of this weekend:

Wrong setup for cold temperatures
Did something wrong to Leclerc car in qualifying
Absolutely embarrassing strategy. From P2 and P3 to P4 and P6. The car which finished in P6 was P1 at one point in the race

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I’ve been an apologist all season, but this is the nail in the coffin.

I came up with a better strategy on my couch in Brisbane Australia with no applicable skills whatsoever.

Charles had the tyre life advantage in the second stint. Leave him out until lap 50 (if not later as Verstappen proved deg on the mediums was acceptable) then pit for softs to the end.

How can a whole team of trained strategists, with expensive software and simulations, come up with a race-losing strategy like this? Beyond the outrage and crushing disappointment I feel, I am honestly perplexed.

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diffuser wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:04
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 16:46
after this ... anyone who is working on that strategy thing for Ferrari should have some shame. some shame ffs....
Not sure how the tires get chosen but Ferrari had only 1 set of Mediums and 1 set of hards like everyone but HAM, Max, Per and Gas that had 2 sets of mediums, 1 used and 1 set of hard. So the strategies where a bit locked in from before the race.
Wrong.

Wrong. Ferraris had 2 sets of mediums

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if was the wrong set up for cold temps
can
you explain to Ferrari what is the wright one?

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diffuser wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:04
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 16:46
after this ... anyone who is working on that strategy thing for Ferrari should have some shame. some shame ffs....
Not sure how the tires get chosen but Ferrari had only 1 set of Mediums and 1 set of hards like everyone but HAM, Max, Per and Gas that had 2 sets of mediums, 1 used and 1 set of hard. So the strategies where a bit locked in from before the race.
they shouldn't have endup in that situation in first place.

and if i remember correctly Leclerc started with medium and pitted for Medium again so how he did not have any soft left ? imo they had soft available.

Sainz was on 5 lap older tyres still he went long on second stint and then pitted for soft why wouldn't Leclerc do the same ?

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F1NAC wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:08
diffuser wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:04
Shal_Leg16 wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 16:46
after this ... anyone who is working on that strategy thing for Ferrari should have some shame. some shame ffs....
Not sure how the tires get chosen but Ferrari had only 1 set of Mediums and 1 set of hards like everyone but HAM, Max, Per and Gas that had 2 sets of mediums, 1 used and 1 set of hard. So the strategies where a bit locked in from before the race.
Wrong.

Wrong. Ferraris had 2 sets of mediums

Ok well argue with the F1 site.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... IWXN6.html

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pipoloko wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:10
if was the wrong set up for cold temps
can
you explain to Ferrari what is the wright one?
They admitted they had it wrong after qualifying when they couldn't get the tires in the right window.

We probably should've known what was coming next. #-o

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F1NAC wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:01
Sevach wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:00
The strategy team should get the boot with immediate effect... horrible.
What was wrong with Sainz today? Good lord no pace at all, car setup for one lap?
I would say bussines as usual from Sainz. His race craft is mediocre at best sadly, compared to leclerc
He was so slow, he pitted for fresh mediums, Leclerc stayed on used... and gained time on him.
He had the same strategy as Hamilton, and failed to make any type of progress, just horrible.

Ferrari needs a pit wall that isn't squeamish about making calls regarding their drivers.
It also help if they weren't dumb as bricks...

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Sevach wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:12
F1NAC wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:01
Sevach wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:00
The strategy team should get the boot with immediate effect... horrible.
What was wrong with Sainz today? Good lord no pace at all, car setup for one lap?
I would say bussines as usual from Sainz. His race craft is mediocre at best sadly, compared to leclerc
He was so slow, he pitted for fresh mediums, Leclerc stayed on used... and gained time on him.
He had the same strategy as Hamilton, and failed to make any type of progress, just horrible.

Ferrari needs a pit wall that isn't squeamish about making calls regarding their drivers.
It also help if they weren't dumb as bricks...
Sainz said they were just slow. The car didn't work well with the temp change.
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diffuser wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:10
F1NAC wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:08
diffuser wrote:
31 Jul 2022, 17:04


Not sure how the tires get chosen but Ferrari had only 1 set of Mediums and 1 set of hards like everyone but HAM, Max, Per and Gas that had 2 sets of mediums, 1 used and 1 set of hard. So the strategies where a bit locked in from before the race.
Wrong.

Wrong. Ferraris had 2 sets of mediums

Ok well argue with the F1 site.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... IWXN6.html
I will argue with that, both Leclerc and Sainz ran 2 stints on mediums, who put those graphs didn't do their homework.