FYI - Wolff claims HAM was a tenth up on the fastest before yellows.Hammerfist wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 16:33Lewis was on pace to match Sainz's time or finish within 0.1s of that time at the very worst. Not bad. I'm confident he will be faster than the Ferraris in the race. Not sure if anyone will be able to touch Max, it took an incredible lap by Leclerc to come this close imo.
It's obvious the Mercedes's number 1 issue is drag. On tracks where aero efficiency is less important they are very close to the front. I think they'll be very good in Singapore, and likely surprise in Mexico too, but Monza is going to be non competitive.
I dont brlieve him. Ham was down to sainz in the first 2 sectors. No way he would be one tenth ahead of max before yellows when the yellows were in s3.214270 wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 16:47FYI - Wolff claims HAM was a tenth up on the fastest before yellows.Hammerfist wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 16:33Lewis was on pace to match Sainz's time or finish within 0.1s of that time at the very worst. Not bad. I'm confident he will be faster than the Ferraris in the race. Not sure if anyone will be able to touch Max, it took an incredible lap by Leclerc to come this close imo.
It's obvious the Mercedes's number 1 issue is drag. On tracks where aero efficiency is less important they are very close to the front. I think they'll be very good in Singapore, and likely surprise in Mexico too, but Monza is going to be non competitive.
Also Singapore is a street track, Mercs have only excelled this season on the dedicated raceways.
Lewis was 0.058 off Max time by the end of sector 2 , what telemetry are you looking at to say he was behind Carlos's time ? And I'm not even saying Lewis would have been on pole here ..Hammerfist wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:04I dont brlieve him. Ham was down to sainz in the first 2 sectors. No way he would be one tenth ahead of max before yellows when the yellows were in s3.214270 wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 16:47FYI - Wolff claims HAM was a tenth up on the fastest before yellows.Hammerfist wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 16:33Lewis was on pace to match Sainz's time or finish within 0.1s of that time at the very worst. Not bad. I'm confident he will be faster than the Ferraris in the race. Not sure if anyone will be able to touch Max, it took an incredible lap by Leclerc to come this close imo.
It's obvious the Mercedes's number 1 issue is drag. On tracks where aero efficiency is less important they are very close to the front. I think they'll be very good in Singapore, and likely surprise in Mexico too, but Monza is going to be non competitive.
Also Singapore is a street track, Mercs have only excelled this season on the dedicated raceways.
The reason why i like them in singapore is the lack of straights and the fact theyll be running high downforce package. Dont compare merc now to when they ran in monaco or baku. They are much more sorted now.
Toto either misread data or is lying to save face in the media.kenshi_blind wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:16Lewis was 0.058 off Max time by the end of sector 2 , what telemetry are you looking at to say he was behind Carlos's time ? And I'm not even saying Lewis would have been on pole here ..Hammerfist wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:04I dont brlieve him. Ham was down to sainz in the first 2 sectors. No way he would be one tenth ahead of max before yellows when the yellows were in s3.
The reason why i like them in singapore is the lack of straights and the fact theyll be running high downforce package. Dont compare merc now to when they ran in monaco or baku. They are much more sorted now.
That snapshot is late. RUS had long passed, TSU had just passed, HAM was about to pass PER; itβs not clear how early HAM reacted to the yellows.organic wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:24Toto either misread data or is lying to save face in the media.kenshi_blind wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:16Lewis was 0.058 off Max time by the end of sector 2 , what telemetry are you looking at to say he was behind Carlos's time ? And I'm not even saying Lewis would have been on pole here ..Hammerfist wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:04
I dont brlieve him. Ham was down to sainz in the first 2 sectors. No way he would be one tenth ahead of max before yellows when the yellows were in s3.
The reason why i like them in singapore is the lack of straights and the fact theyll be running high downforce package. Dont compare merc now to when they ran in monaco or baku. They are much more sorted now.
Hamilton was +0.140s to Verstappen after S2:
https://i.imgur.com/tTaxJ2a.png
Whilst Russell was only matching Perez by end of s2, so he wasn't in the fight for pole
Well Hamilton set a purple minisector in s3, so isn't it safe to say that s1 and s2 times are unaffected by the yellow? Don't think he'd set a purple sector under yellow flag conditions214270 wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:30That snapshot is late. RUS had long passed, TSU had just passed, HAM was about to pass PER; itβs not clear how early HAM reacted to the yellows.organic wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:24Toto either misread data or is lying to save face in the media.kenshi_blind wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:16
Lewis was 0.058 off Max time by the end of sector 2 , what telemetry are you looking at to say he was behind Carlos's time ? And I'm not even saying Lewis would have been on pole here ..
Hamilton was +0.140s to Verstappen after S2:
https://i.imgur.com/tTaxJ2a.png
Whilst Russell was only matching Perez by end of s2, so he wasn't in the fight for pole
Someone posted a mini-sector map in the race thread & I donβt see HAMs purple on it? Confusedorganic wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:46Well Hamilton set a purple minisector in s3, so isn't it safe to say that s1 and s2 times are unaffected by the yellow? Don't think he'd set a purple sector under yellow flag conditions214270 wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:30That snapshot is late. RUS had long passed, TSU had just passed, HAM was about to pass PER; itβs not clear how early HAM reacted to the yellows.organic wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:24
Toto either misread data or is lying to save face in the media.
Hamilton was +0.140s to Verstappen after S2:
https://i.imgur.com/tTaxJ2a.png
Whilst Russell was only matching Perez by end of s2, so he wasn't in the fight for pole
Times set under double yellow were deleted, so maybe that's why it's not included:214270 wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 17:54Someone posted a mini-sector map in the race thread & I donβt see HAMs purple on it? Confused
Makes senseorganic wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 18:02Times set under double yellow were deleted, so maybe that's why it's not included:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... Yellow.pdf
Hamilton was down 0.134s, not up..214270 wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 18:18Makes senseorganic wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 18:02Times set under double yellow were deleted, so maybe that's why it's not included:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... Yellow.pdf
It seems Dialtone has a HAM v VER comp on reddit which indicates HAM was ahead through 12. He was as Wolff indicated up 0.134 at the end of S2.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ame=iossmf
organic wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 18:23Hamilton was down 0.134s, not up..214270 wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 18:18Makes senseorganic wrote: β03 Sep 2022, 18:02
Times set under double yellow were deleted, so maybe that's why it's not included:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... Yellow.pdf
It seems Dialtone has a HAM v VER comp on reddit which indicates HAM was ahead through 12. He was as Wolff indicated up 0.134 at the end of S2.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... ame=iossmf
Here is the telemetry of the Hamilton aborted lap vs max (courtesy of dialtone):
https://i.imgur.com/fQRqcw3.jpg
Ham loses 0.023s in s1 and 0.111s in s2 totalling 0.134s slower than Verstappen through S1/S2. The telemetry just confirms what live timing already said.