Expecting a rebate in april, didnt get it then failed to adjust budget lol thats a lame arse exuse.
Best be a worthy punishment.
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Agreed, Red Bull has the advantage now and for years to come. It’s a cascading effect. Monetary fine isn’t going to cut it. Teams will happily pay it. So much for F1’s pinnacle sport image, their teams can’t even stay within a budget.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑21 Oct 2022, 12:45That opens up for strategies on how to use and circumvent the cap rule though. So any team can in theory then go all in during one season to go for the title as they will keep the title. A team like RB, Mercedes or Ferrari who have a lot of money and can happily pay whatever fines are thrown at them.CMSMJ1 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2022, 12:20@littlebigcat - I did put "cheating" in the quotes. It is the inference of people who will say that if you breached the cap, then you cheated. There will be little recourse to the actual rules, as the jury of the people will already decide.
The way to prevent it - any fines are paid to your competitors and they have it as a bonus - free development - on top of their cap.
If you overspend (e.g)5 millions - you have to give that overspend to your rivals out of your own budget (that can be spread over 3 years)
No more cheating...
Team in breach would be down 45 million bucks and in each year will be 15 million down til they pay it off.
No, sporting penalties must be applied, or they might as well remove this whole cap rule. I guarantee that losing your drivers title because of cheating the cap would make sure we don’t see any cap problems ever again.
Do you have any proof to say that?yamahasho wrote: ↑23 Oct 2022, 11:18Agreed, Red Bull has the advantage now and for years to come. It’s a cascading effect. Monetary fine isn’t going to cut it. Teams will happily pay it. So much for F1’s pinnacle sport image, their teams can’t even stay within a budget.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑21 Oct 2022, 12:45That opens up for strategies on how to use and circumvent the cap rule though. So any team can in theory then go all in during one season to go for the title as they will keep the title. A team like RB, Mercedes or Ferrari who have a lot of money and can happily pay whatever fines are thrown at them.CMSMJ1 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2022, 12:20@littlebigcat - I did put "cheating" in the quotes. It is the inference of people who will say that if you breached the cap, then you cheated. There will be little recourse to the actual rules, as the jury of the people will already decide.
The way to prevent it - any fines are paid to your competitors and they have it as a bonus - free development - on top of their cap.
If you overspend (e.g)5 millions - you have to give that overspend to your rivals out of your own budget (that can be spread over 3 years)
No more cheating...
Team in breach would be down 45 million bucks and in each year will be 15 million down til they pay it off.
No, sporting penalties must be applied, or they might as well remove this whole cap rule. I guarantee that losing your drivers title because of cheating the cap would make sure we don’t see any cap problems ever again.
Horner claims to be $4 million under, no team would leave this much money unused. They knew the FIA would probably find other costs and calculated that to be around $4 million but now they’re $1.8 over. They couldn’t even get the calculated number correct.
I wonder if a 4 race ban next year would deter future breaches.
Rumours are not facts.yamahasho wrote: ↑23 Oct 2022, 11:40Not sure what your question is, they submitted $4 million under the budget cap, that’s common knowledge.
“Red Bull were initially well within the cost cap figure of $145 million by about $4 million before multiple factors combined to push them $1.8 million over, according to RacingNews365.com's sources.”
Which part is the rumor exactly? This number has been reported many times.mendis wrote: ↑23 Oct 2022, 11:43Rumours are not facts.yamahasho wrote: ↑23 Oct 2022, 11:40Not sure what your question is, they submitted $4 million under the budget cap, that’s common knowledge.
“Red Bull were initially well within the cost cap figure of $145 million by about $4 million before multiple factors combined to push them $1.8 million over, according to RacingNews365.com's sources.”
All of it. The only fact is, there is a breach. Everything else is imagination of people.yamahasho wrote: ↑23 Oct 2022, 11:46Which part is the rumor exactly? This number has been reported many times.mendis wrote: ↑23 Oct 2022, 11:43Rumours are not facts.yamahasho wrote: ↑23 Oct 2022, 11:40Not sure what your question is, they submitted $4 million under the budget cap, that’s common knowledge.
“Red Bull were initially well within the cost cap figure of $145 million by about $4 million before multiple factors combined to push them $1.8 million over, according to RacingNews365.com's sources.”
Unfortunately that kind of targeted approach would appear to also target the drivers and that's not something would be right IMO.henry wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 11:20On the subject of punishments.
I like @Stu’s suggestion that testing should be curtailed, but I would include practice sessions.
I would implement it by setting a quota of testing and practice sessions for a period, perhaps the whole season. The team would need to be ready to start any and all sessions but would only be told which, if any, car(s) are allowed to take part at the start of the session. This means that:
Some rules would be needed to manage consumables, tyres, PUs, gearboxes etc to make sure there is no benefit to accrue from not running. And probably some allowance for shake down and safety checks.
- They have to commit all of their budget for a session, including employment for all the personnel involved. So no cost cap benefit and no collateral damage for employees.
It inconveniences the team in a way they can’t avoid.
It serves as a reminder to everyone that the team are being punished for a transgression every time there is a test or practise session.
It would restrict their ability to develop and operate the car.
Depending on the severity of the overspend this might operate in conjunction with other punishments, reduced cost cap, reduced wind tunnel and CFD etc.
The objective should be clear, to hurt the team in both performance and reputation. No-one should want to experience this.
Really, are you saying racingnews365 is not a reliable news source?
Yes. Neither FIA has said anything officially over the numbers not Red Bull has. So anyone other than that is building imaginery gardens.
You didn’t answer my question but thank you for admitting Red Bull has breached, that’s the first step.
No, you didn’t read well, is racingnews365 a reliable news source?