2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[djos]

We are definitely dealing in speculation now, we’ll just have to wait and see.

That said, Christian and Helmet seemed thrilled to have Daniel back in the family, so they clearly still rate him highly.

[Wouter]

Checo and Pierre and Marc Marquez and Tetsuta Nagashima on track.







The interviews after the demo's.



An interview with Max earlier today. He recieved a very nice Honda car!

[AR3-GP]

[toraabe]

And when he might get Vettel as his boss. https://www.planetf1.com/news/sebastian ... successor/

[etusch]

If I were there I definitely ask to have a ride for at least a lap with that bike

[Bill]

Max and Marc two of the biggest names in motorsport honda are very lucky to have them.in a good year Honda could win moto gp ,f1 and indy a marketing dream.in a fair world the Honda name should confer a very high premium for their product because the do really participate in motorsport at the highest level for real.Bmw charges high for their m cars but where do they race,are people supposed to be paying for reputation earned 30 years back

[AR3-GP]

Max and Marc two of the biggest names in motorsport honda are very lucky to have them.in a good year Honda could win moto gp ,f1 and indy a marketing dream.in a fair world the Honda name should confer a very high premium for their product because the do really participate in motorsport at the highest level for real.Bmw charges high for their m cars but where do they race,are people supposed to be paying for reputation earned 30 years back

I understand it's just some promotional Honda stuff. I just can't help flinching anytime an F1 driver gets near something that's not an F1 car because of Kubica...

[Bill]

nowadays contracts are strict on what driver is allowed to do you cant even play silly things like tennis

[Alexf1]

How much aero for next years car has usually been done by end of October? Asking since that's the start of the 12 month budget cap aero penalty for Red Bull. I've got the feeling RB were trying to delay the conclusion a bit as start of the penalty a bit later in the year would have less of an impact on start spec of next years car.

[chrisc90]

How much aero for next years car has usually been done by end of October? Asking since that's the start of the 12 month budget cap aero penalty for Red Bull.

Probably since the FIA first told them they were in breach. We haven’t had any updates since Singapore

[Alexf1]

How much aero for next years car has usually been done by end of October? Asking since that's the start of the 12 month budget cap aero penalty for Red Bull.

Probably since the FIA first told them they were in breach. We haven’t had any updates since Singapore

No. Penalty came into effect on wednesday Oct 26th (date of agreement with FIA)

https://the-race.com/formula-1/what-red ... itll-hurt/

"Of note is the fact that Red Bull’s limitation is valid for a period of 12 months from the date of execution of the Accepted Breach Agreement.

The ABA was entered into on Wednesday, October 26. That means that Red Bull’s new limit kicks in immediately and will be valid for whatever development work it completes in the final part of 2022."

This is why I'm wondering how far along a team usually is around end of October with aero of next years car. Maybe it was in Red Bulls interest to drag the process a bit in order to have most of the basic 2023 aero completed by that time.

[AR3-GP]

We can start from the default presumption that teams organize their budget to allow the windtunnel to operate year-round outside of mandatory shutdown.

If we note that the last non-trivial update to the RB18 was in Spa (which would have been a windtunnel session from up to 2 months prior), then it would be possible for RB to have had the 2023 car in the windtunnel before the summer break. So basically that '23 car would have been in the windtunnel since June.

RB had already began to turn away from aero development with the RB18 as they were focused on a lightweight chassis which never arrived due to budget. Since the windtunnel is always operating, then the only thing that could have been there is the RB19.

[caddy]

How much aero for next years car has usually been done by end of October? Asking since that's the start of the 12 month budget cap aero penalty for Red Bull.

Probably since the FIA first told them they were in breach. We haven’t had any updates since Singapore

No. Penalty came into effect on wednesday Oct 26th (date of agreement with FIA)

https://the-race.com/formula-1/what-red ... itll-hurt/

"Of note is the fact that Red Bull’s limitation is valid for a period of 12 months from the date of execution of the Accepted Breach Agreement.

The ABA was entered into on Wednesday, October 26. That means that Red Bull’s new limit kicks in immediately and will be valid for whatever development work it completes in the final part of 2022."

This is why I'm wondering how far along a team usually is around end of October with aero of next years car. Maybe it was in Red Bulls interest to drag the process a bit in order to have most of the basic 2023 aero completed by that time.

It wouldn't matter when the penalty kicked in. It would anyway hurt for a 12 month period. Whether RB spend all their allocated WT on air time within one month or twelve, it's up to them. There is no weekly or monthly allocations. So they can continue what they are doing and then adjust the spend a little more wisely.

It might cost them a few upgrades down the season in 2023 or for the start of 2024 challenger, RB20, depending upon where they want to take a bit of hit. I don't think it would cost them up front in 2023 challenger, RB19. If they can compromise on late season RB19 upgrades, then they can do the usual work for RB20.

[Alexf1]

Probably since the FIA first told them they were in breach. We haven’t had any updates since Singapore

No. Penalty came into effect on wednesday Oct 26th (date of agreement with FIA)

https://the-race.com/formula-1/what-red ... itll-hurt/

"Of note is the fact that Red Bull’s limitation is valid for a period of 12 months from the date of execution of the Accepted Breach Agreement.

The ABA was entered into on Wednesday, October 26. That means that Red Bull’s new limit kicks in immediately and will be valid for whatever development work it completes in the final part of 2022."

This is why I'm wondering how far along a team usually is around end of October with aero of next years car. Maybe it was in Red Bulls interest to drag the process a bit in order to have most of the basic 2023 aero completed by that time.

It wouldn't matter when the penalty kicked in. It would anyway hurt for a 12 month period. Whether RB spend all their allocated WT on air time within one month or twelve, it's up to them. There is no weekly or monthly allocations. So they can continue what they are doing and then adjust the spend a little more wisely.

It might cost them a few upgrades down the season in 2023 or for the start of 2024 challenger, RB20, depending upon where they want to take a bit of hit. I don't think it would cost them up front in 2023 challenger, RB19. If they can compromise on late season RB19 upgrades, then they can do the usual work for RB20.

Nope, WT time is allocated in ‘Aerodynamic Testing Period’ mostly lasting 8 weeks: https://the-race.com/formula-1/what-red ... itll-hurt/

[caddy]

No. Penalty came into effect on wednesday Oct 26th (date of agreement with FIA)

https://the-race.com/formula-1/what-red ... itll-hurt/

"Of note is the fact that Red Bull’s limitation is valid for a period of 12 months from the date of execution of the Accepted Breach Agreement.

The ABA was entered into on Wednesday, October 26. That means that Red Bull’s new limit kicks in immediately and will be valid for whatever development work it completes in the final part of 2022."

This is why I'm wondering how far along a team usually is around end of October with aero of next years car. Maybe it was in Red Bulls interest to drag the process a bit in order to have most of the basic 2023 aero completed by that time.

It wouldn't matter when the penalty kicked in. It would anyway hurt for a 12 month period. Whether RB spend all their allocated WT on air time within one month or twelve, it's up to them. There is no weekly or monthly allocations. So they can continue what they are doing and then adjust the spend a little more wisely.

It might cost them a few upgrades down the season in 2023 or for the start of 2024 challenger, RB20, depending upon where they want to take a bit of hit. I don't think it would cost them up front in 2023 challenger, RB19. If they can compromise on late season RB19 upgrades, then they can do the usual work for RB20.

Nope, WT time is allocated in ‘Aerodynamic Testing Period’ mostly lasting 8 weeks: https://the-race.com/formula-1/what-red ... itll-hurt/

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