0D = zero -dimensional or 1D models - essentially lower order models built from larger dimensional models (3D CFD/WT test/track aero)mzso wrote: ↑31 Jul 2022, 08:03Well, poorer teams now have the same development budget. So it's a matter of choice what you'd want carry over. However I think the cost is overblown (by Horner mainly), since the floor/sidepods seem to be the main distinguishing parts of a car, that is what they would want to redesign first. Also Haas had no trouble completely changing the whole sidepod design within half a season.n_anirudh wrote: ↑30 Jul 2022, 23:36Will it affect the *poorer* teams who could have carried parts etc over the next season ?
Secondly, how do the teams know that raising the floor will help? Has there been research carried out and data shared by fia/fom?
Thinking out aloud her: Why is a 10mm change acceptable and not 25mm? Whatever the increase, new aero tests will have to be conducted unless they have accurate 0D models that can predict such changes ?
The 25mm the FIA probably just pulled out of the air. The same place 10mm comes from, by the teams who'd think it's less disadvantageous for them. I think it should 19.23mm, just to look like it was a results of some complex calculations.
(No idea what 0D means)
Zero dimensional models?!n_anirudh wrote: ↑31 Jul 2022, 13:430D = zero -dimensional or 1D models - essentially lower order models built from larger dimensional models (3D CFD/WT test/track aero)mzso wrote: ↑31 Jul 2022, 08:03Well, poorer teams now have the same development budget. So it's a matter of choice what you'd want carry over. However I think the cost is overblown (by Horner mainly), since the floor/sidepods seem to be the main distinguishing parts of a car, that is what they would want to redesign first. Also Haas had no trouble completely changing the whole sidepod design within half a season.n_anirudh wrote: ↑30 Jul 2022, 23:36Will it affect the *poorer* teams who could have carried parts etc over the next season ?
Secondly, how do the teams know that raising the floor will help? Has there been research carried out and data shared by fia/fom?
Thinking out aloud her: Why is a 10mm change acceptable and not 25mm? Whatever the increase, new aero tests will have to be conducted unless they have accurate 0D models that can predict such changes ?
The 25mm the FIA probably just pulled out of the air. The same place 10mm comes from, by the teams who'd think it's less disadvantageous for them. I think it should 19.23mm, just to look like it was a results of some complex calculations.
(No idea what 0D means)
Drivers cause bigger accidents by driving like blind bats into T1.
Completely irrelevant to the issue. Sudden loss of massive floor downforce caused by the floors rubbing the floor and unseating over a bump or a kerb is likely to send a car airborne into the catch fencing at some point.
Made some very interesting comments about Mercedes porpoising. Around the 1.05 hr mark he said that at Sauber, they use a rougher belt on their wind tunnel. Then he showed a picture of Mercedes wind tunnel where they had a very shiny, and likely smooth belt on their wind tunnel and speculated that that could have been a problem for them in understanding porpoising
That means all they learned in 2022 is uselessBlueCheetah66 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2023, 14:10Made some very interesting comments about Mercedes porpoising. Around the 1.05 hr mark he said that at Sauber, they use a rougher belt on their wind tunnel. Then he showed a picture of Mercedes wind tunnel where they had a very shiny, and likely smooth belt on their wind tunnel and speculated that that could have been a problem for them in understanding porpoising
Do you think they are aware of that?BlueCheetah66 wrote: ↑24 Jan 2023, 14:10Made some very interesting comments about Mercedes porpoising. Around the 1.05 hr mark he said that at Sauber, they use a rougher belt on their wind tunnel. Then he showed a picture of Mercedes wind tunnel where they had a very shiny, and likely smooth belt on their wind tunnel and speculated that that could have been a problem for them in understanding porpoising
I don’t think so, maybe they were more focused on the car than the tools