Max Mosely has to go

[gcdugas]

Bernie couldn't do anything at Indy in 2005 and he can't do anything now. Max has totally run amok. I hope he likes F2, I mean F1 with all the nobodies running. Ferrari and Mac have been agreeing on much lately. I wonder where all these teams are going to get engines.... Cosworth? Even Toyota will likely not give their engines to Williams which, I think, has a year by year contract.

This is it. This is something that makes the FISA/FOCA war look like tiddly-winks. Max has made his final stand. There is no way the FOTA teams will enter. It is not a matter of pride, it is a matter of principle. Why would they want to be 100% subject to the unchecked whims of a madman? They know 100% what they would get from Mosley and slavery/subjugation has zero interest for them.

This is all timed by Max. Normally the deadline for the 2010 season would be 11/30/09 but this year Max advanced it, unilaterally of course, to be before the FIA elections. Hmmmm..... Of course he offered the excuse that all the "new" teams needed more notice which is another Mosley lie, because Toyota, Aguri, and Stewart all seemed to be able to enter as brand new teams with the 11/30 deadline in the years that they entered. This prohibited the manufacturer teams from running their own FIA presidential candidate in time to scuttle Max's crazy budget rules.

BTW, I must interject that AutoSport is a fully compromised news source effectively neutered by the FIA via threats of access denial. It is so painfully obvious when every time I read their site they use the phrase "voluntary budget cap". This is clearly a phrase that the FIA is making them use under a threat. I have little respect for a publication that has sold its journalistic soul to do the bidding of the power-brokers. If the budget cap were so "voluntary" then the teams would have no problem. It is 100% compulsory and that is the issue. Every time I read such biased reporting it makes me sick. How can they represent such bilge as journalism? It is a joke. Everything I read there I now interpret as suspect. What has been left out? What has been injected? What has been spun? What impression is being conveyed, by whom, for whom? I now read AutoSport as Solzheneitzen would read Pravda.... to find out what the enemy want me to think. I guess they can be trusted to report the lap times correct but little else.

Pitpass, Saward, Mercg at updateF1.com and other unaffiliated sources are where I look for reliable info.

The teams should still run a candidate for FIA president anyway for the sake of WRC, saloon cars and all the other series that Max is also mismanaging.

[Ciro Pabón]

Ciro, what do you expect by a thread like that.

Please, read my PM. I won't discuss the reasons for editing in public.

Concentrate in the thread, not in other members opinions, please.

gcdugas shows how it's done: read around, research and contribute instead of bicker.

Last call, guys.

[flynfrog]

I kinda hope the teams show up to the first race run the recon lap then pull into the pits. Max needs to realize without the team he has nothing same with bernie

[u401768]

How much is Max relying on Ferrari being contracted to 2012 (at the same time as they got their veto rights etc)? Is he really that sure he has hold of the horse’s tail? If he’s not...he'll be trampled to blood pulp.

I know the Ferrari veto has been talked about in this thread (incorrectly really) but can you imagine the uproar if they had used it?!? And mostly from the people who are say now they had the option to use it. If anything its is showing they are try their best to do 'What’s right for the sport', and not them self’s. They could have stopped it all dead in its tracks.

As to the entry date being brought forward - I 100% agree with the earlier (gcdugas) post - its to get what Max wants before he gets the boot.

All we need to do is look at the mess he has made of Touring cars, and rallying. What an excellent state he has left these in....NOT.

By the way - without mentioning names (you know who you are and are active in this thread) if you are going to quote out of peoples messages - quote what they have said without cut/past to spin it to your own perspective.

I do hope that Max is removed from office at the election, and someone can sort the c##p he has left/made.

[timbo]

How much is Max relying on Ferrari being contracted to 2012 (at the same time as they got their veto rights etc)?

I believe in Max or Bernie will try to exploit that contract Ferrari may say they didn't follow it themselves by not allowing veto.

[ISLAMATRON]

u401768 How do you know they havent used their veto? Why would they ask for it if they werent going to use it. I can show 1 example of where they probably used it or the threat of using it. It is well known that it was Ferrari that mainly castrated KERS to be as insignificant as it is this year.

[timbo]

How do you know they havent used their veto?

I meant the current situation with 2010 regs.

[ISLAMATRON]

How do you know they havent used their veto?

I meant the current situation with 2010 regs.

I was responding to u401768, not yourself.... I really dont understand the point you are trying to make.

[u401768]

i'll respond to that one as well - Ferrari, along with Renault, Williams and McLaren want Kers dropping as it was very expensive, and of an uncertain gain. BMW wanted it to be kept, so it stayed in the rules - Ferrari had the veto option, yet did not use it!!!

The intention was for the current situation as well.

[WhiteBlue]

Islam was referring to the politicking in 2006 and 2007 which led to KERS being castrated to power and energy limits. That was clearly done to make it insignificant as it is sadly this season. If it was introduced in unlimited form it could have given the best KERS designers a significant advantage. It was well known that Ferrari did not do well and Merc have the best system now. The FIA did not introduce those limits by their own philosophy. They wanted the best KERS but clearly someone pulled strings.

[djos]

It times like these I wish I was Jason borne with a Sniper Rifle in the right place at the right time to give MadMax a 3rd eye!

[gcdugas]

It times like these I wish I was Jason borne with a Sniper Rifle in the right place at the right time to give MadMax a 3rd eye!

You are not the only one who wished that you would give Max a third eye. The board at CVC may be seeking Mr. Bourne's services but I suspect that Jason would have to make it look like natural causes.... say an overdose of whips and penetrating objects and "auto-asphyxiation". [-X [-X [-X

[gcdugas]

Max continues to do as he pleases. How can FiF1 lodge an entry after the 5/29 deadline? A deadline is a deadline and we are waiting for the list to be published on 6/13. Another case of Max flexing the rules to suit him. Another reason that he is unfit to even be a dog catcher. And another reason for the manufacturers to reject anything to do with him. He cannot be tethered by any written document. Max is 100% untrustworthy. Who thinks that any manufacturer will let the FIA audit their budget even if the cap was 5 billion euros? It is ridiculous.

Where does FiF1 think they are getting their engines and gearboxes for 2010?

It is time for the manufacturers to tell their straying customer teams to look to Cosworth for their next supply.

I expect the FOTA teams to announce their complete departure (with their engines and gearboxes) on 6/13 BTW. You read it here first.

[ISLAMATRON]

gcdugas... you are extremely amusing... in a clown like way

please continue with your prognostications

[WhiteBlue]

Max continues to do as he pleases. How can FiF1 lodge an entry after the 5/29 deadline? A deadline is a deadline and we are waiting for the list to be published on 6/13.....

You need to read the rules and press releases more diligently. It was always clear from FIA releases that late applications are possible against a late calling fee. It will even be possible after the publishing of the accepted new entrants list. The FIA also pointed out that once the grid was full with 13 teams no more applications will be accepted. This is the reason why no team will be eager to be left behind when the dam breaks.