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i was wondering if Max had ever thought of the potential job losses, this could have to the teams that could be losing out in this whole fiasco? this whole problem is making big teams uncertain abt their future in the sport, and eventually if a team was to be dissolved we are loking at hundreds of jobs being lost,
i knw that the big teams with all their big work forces, are hugely inefficent, and maybe that potentially cutting jobs will make the teams more efficeint..but if each team does the same thing, we are looking at a huge lose.....
perhaps the new teams will take them bk up, but to be honest, this really is unnesscery...
This thread is becoming interesting for me as moderator. I have to tell everybody, in public, that WB and Islamatron have ignored repeatedly the fact that we edit personal derogatory comments.
I left the last two posts by them standing, as a sample of what not to write (in the previous page). Calling members "clowns" or being sarcastic to members by asking people to read things more diligently it not The F1Tech Way.
I see both of them unable to avoid denigrating comments about the posts of other people. Before half the members abandon the forum, we need to take action. So, one strike, two to go.
As both of you are under probation, for the first time in my short career as moderator I will take in account the opinion of other members, besides my own.
Thus, WB and Islam, if it depended only on me, your membership depends on the future feelings of the forum, not on how smart or incisive you are. Tomba can, of course, reverse my "sentence": talk to him if you need to.
I do not need to talk to Tomba, Ciro. This isssue I have, is with you. I do not challenge your powers as a moderator but I ask you to consider if you did the right thing here. If one of our valued members cannot find the sources to support his predictive capacities it should be legitimate to point him in the right direction.
I would never call someone a clown. I value the input of each and everyone here and encourage all to spread their opinion whichever it is. This is in pure self defense because I have been gagged doing nothing but plain posting my opinions and views.
I agree with your view that agressive and derogatory remarks and personal comments are off limit. Nobody should be exposed to being called a clown, a Nazi, an asshole and the myriad other peiorative labels that other web sites with lesser standards tolerate in their user's debates.
In my case I have the feeling that you are over emphasising user sensibilities and make appeasements which are not justified by the subject matter. So here you go. Have your say and explain why my remark was overly sarcastic rewarding a warning. It is obvious that the person in question did not aquire a level of information consistent with the level of his assertiveness. I fail to see how a proposal to remedy that situation violates the F1 Tech Way. If you want to run the site in order to maximise advertising hits and attracting a maximum number of users at any cost I could understand your concern. But that is not the person I have come to respect over the past two or three years.
I invest a lot of work to provide people with links towards missing information which a quick statistic of the last 24 h postings should prove. As an example FGD researched FIA rules to find an official source for the change from 12 to 13 teams participating in the 2010 championship. After some research I managed to point him towards FIA press releases with Q&As by Max Mosley and the WMSC decisions on the number of participants.
In another example our mutual friend Chaparral made a reference to a rumor planted by Tom Rubython which you were not aware of. I have researched a reprint and provided the link so that you could pick up that information. Perhaps some valued members do not appreciate the level of research I do but I can demonstrate that it is done with due dilligence. Perhaps it should earn me the right to give a small piece of advise once in a while.
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Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
Im really having trouble deciding wich side im on here. I can see them both, max is clearly trying to breathe new life in the sport, wich has become inreasing dominated by simply absurd spending by the top teams. However i also believe the cost cap he is trying to impose is far too tight, be a little bit realistic please. Its like the two sides both have such over inflated ego's any kind of reasonable comprimise is impossible, they just try to outbluff each other to get entirely their way.
I just hope that they can sort this out, i want F1 with Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Renault and Williams, it wouldnt not be the same otherwise. BTW on a side note, its good to see both sides of the argument being upheld here. On other forums ive visited everyone just jumps on the hate max bandwagon, dishing out unneccesary and completly undeserved levels of hatred. =D>
donskar wrote:Unfortunately, it will only inspire the Max bobble-head dolls to begin filling this thread with more of what what you accurately call raw sewage.
My guess is that FOTA will fold and the Max sycophants and butt-boys will cheer the stupendous technical victory of no more tire warmers and the emergence of the pretenders and poseurs in F1. I do have to wonder, what sort of F1 fan prefers fakes like Brabham and March (BRM next?) to Ferrari and BMW? Who would rather watch Campos and Litespeed rather than McLaren and Renault? And the drivers? It beggars the imagination. Sleeping in on Sunday begins to be very attractive.
Donskar's post was neither edited nor removed, and I highly doubt he was reprimanded in any way. I fail to see much of a difference between calling someone a "bobble head doll" and a "clown". And what of the "sycophant" and "butt-boy" name calling? Not to mention calling our posts "raw sewage"... as if that adds to the discussion in anyway.
The shear fact this his post is still up shows a bias on your part Ciro, and since his post is still up it is easier for you to see that you did not edit any of my posts until that particular post of Donskar's.
Ciro, please tell me what Donskar's post is an example of?
ISLAMATRON wrote:
Donskar's post was neither edited nor removed, and I highly doubt he was reprimanded in any way. I fail to see much of a difference between calling someone a "bobble head doll" and a "clown". And what of the "sycophant" and "butt-boy" name calling? Not to mention calling our posts "raw sewage"... as if that adds to the discussion in anyway.
The shear fact this his post is still up shows a bias on your part Ciro, and since his post is still up it is easier for you to see that you did not edit any of my posts until that particular post of Donskar's.
Ciro, please tell me what Donskar's post is an example of?
Seconded in terms of being provoked, Islam! That does not mean I agree with you calling other users clowns. Let the brain childs give testament to their parents. People here can easily make up their mind without such labels.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
ISLAMATRON wrote:
Donskar's post was neither edited nor removed, and I highly doubt he was reprimanded in any way. I fail to see much of a difference between calling someone a "bobble head doll" and a "clown". And what of the "sycophant" and "butt-boy" name calling? Not to mention calling our posts "raw sewage"... as if that adds to the discussion in anyway.
The shear fact this his post is still up shows a bias on your part Ciro, and since his post is still up it is easier for you to see that you did not edit any of my posts until that particular post of Donskar's.
Ciro, please tell me what Donskar's post is an example of?
Seconded in terms of being provoked, Islam! That does not mean I agree with you calling other users clowns. Let the brain childs give testament to their parents. People here can easily make up their mind without such labels.
Dont make me call you a clown!... actually I never called him a clown, I said he was amusing in a clown like way
You can call me a clown if you feel like it. I give special dispensation for late night bar mates!
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
KiwiF1 wrote:Im really having trouble deciding wich side im on here. I can see them both, max is clearly trying to breathe new life in the sport, wich has become inreasing dominated by simply absurd spending by the top teams. However i also believe the cost cap he is trying to impose is far too tight, be a little bit realistic please. Its like the two sides both have such over inflated ego's any kind of reasonable comprimise is impossible, they just try to outbluff each other to get entirely their way.
I just hope that they can sort this out, i want F1 with Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Renault and Williams, it wouldnt not be the same otherwise. BTW on a side note, its good to see both sides of the argument being upheld here. On other forums ive visited everyone just jumps on the hate max bandwagon, dishing out unneccesary and completly undeserved levels of hatred. =D>
Welcome KiwiF1!!! A very sensitive sentiment. I totally agree with it. I thought F1 was on a good way when the Mercedes initiative of sorting a glide path was published last week. That was a very good attempt at negotiated settlement which might have solved the challenges of F1. Unfortunately some people could not resist the temptation to play arsonist. Hopefully the two big ego characters will come to their senses before much more damage is done.
Formula One's fundamental ethos is about success coming to those with the most ingenious engineering and best ..............................organization, not to those with the biggest budget. (Dave Richards)
