This would be absolutely hilarious, since it was their constant whining that brought that ruling about.
This would be absolutely hilarious, since it was their constant whining that brought that ruling about.
It played in their favour, but maybe they failed to exploit it. Let's see how things go in the race, if they do much better than Q regarding lap time, then their tyre warmup issue is acting up again. Still, I expected a big step with floor and that seems to be missing.
Nope they need to hire Dan Fallows, the Aston shows you don't need to push the floor close to ground to get the pace.
Maybe that's what they thought initially. However it wouldn't be the first time that Mercedes misunderstood the impact of a change to the floor rules. They really have struggled in the last 3 seasons with floor development. 2021 launch spec was a sloppy car. 2022 porpoising. 2023 to be continued?
considering merc pushed for it, that would be catastrophic internally surely?
Well, obviously everything is theoretical, but if you managed to extract 85% of floor performance from a set of rules and rivals got 90% - you are behind. If the new peak of performance is now at 95% of the old one you've basically cut them off from available progress, giving you a chance to catch up. But you still need to catch up.AR3-GP wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 23:57Maybe that's what they thought initially. However it wouldn't be the first time that Mercedes misunderstood the impact of a change to the floor rules. They really have struggled in the last 3 seasons with floor development. 2021 launch spec was a sloppy car. 2022 porpoising. 2023 to be continued?
Aston Martin(suppousedly) seems pretty close to best case scenario of a team that dumped their design concept (in their case, double floor/extreme undercut), copied the leading team formula, and now less than 1 year later they look just about ready to compete.stonehenge wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 00:22IMHO the biggest thing Mercedes can hope for is that the ceiling of these ground effect cars are much lower than previous formulas. I think that's still the biggest question mark for everyone, in general. Is Red Bull going to continue to improve with every update or are they getting close to the performance ceiling? If it's the former, then Mercedes will keep playing catch up because they're years behind at this point. The fact that Aston Martin made such a big leep so early into the formula despite an insanely bad launch car gives me a lot of hope that the field will simply move together much sooner and more noticably than we've seen before.
Sheeit.... Our tyres are gone after a few turns!pursue_one's wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:28organic wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:14In terms of being bad at Saudi I'm thinking of high speed corners where the car does not seem to work this weekenddialtone wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:00
HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.
https://i.imgur.com/OyyFFsv.jpeg
This is compared to LEC as it's what I had, but Ferrari top speed was on par with RBR. HAM seems to lose in T5-6-7 and the slow speed traction. Probably they tried to fix the top speed with the smaller wing judging that their tire degradation would save them, together with maybe helping warming those tires up faster.
Yes. It's a people problem they have. They need fresh blood.AR3-GP wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 23:57Maybe that's what they thought initially. However it wouldn't be the first time that Mercedes misunderstood the impact of a change to the floor rules. They really have struggled in the last 3 seasons with floor development. 2021 launch spec was a sloppy car. 2022 porpoising. 2023 to be continued?
Aston also had the man who understood the concept and probably created it! Remember Dan fallows said the ramps and floor was designed for Aston in November 2021.Sevach wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 00:36Aston Martin(suppousedly) seems pretty close to best case scenario of a team that dumped their design concept (in their case, double floor/extreme undercut), copied the leading team formula, and now less than 1 year later they look just about ready to compete.stonehenge wrote: ↑04 Mar 2023, 00:22IMHO the biggest thing Mercedes can hope for is that the ceiling of these ground effect cars are much lower than previous formulas. I think that's still the biggest question mark for everyone, in general. Is Red Bull going to continue to improve with every update or are they getting close to the performance ceiling? If it's the former, then Mercedes will keep playing catch up because they're years behind at this point. The fact that Aston Martin made such a big leep so early into the formula despite an insanely bad launch car gives me a lot of hope that the field will simply move together much sooner and more noticably than we've seen before.
May be you should be leading Mercedes.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 23:53It played in their favour, but maybe they failed to exploit it. Let's see how things go in the race, if they do much better than Q regarding lap time, then their tyre warmup issue is acting up again. Still, I expected a big step with floor and that seems to be missing.
I am starting to think they need a disciple of Newey.