HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.organic wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 21:55Looking at telemetry seems you might be right. But maybe they suffer in high speed at Bahrain so much due to having to compromise it for traction, slow speed rotation etc. It's hard to say.
In terms of being bad at Saudi I'm thinking of high speed corners where the car does not seem to work this weekenddialtone wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:00HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.
https://i.imgur.com/OyyFFsv.jpeg
This is compared to LEC as it's what I had, but Ferrari top speed was on par with RBR. HAM seems to lose in T5-6-7 and the slow speed traction. Probably they tried to fix the top speed with the smaller wing judging that their tire degradation would save them, together with maybe helping warming those tires up faster.
organic wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:14In terms of being bad at Saudi I'm thinking of high speed corners where the car does not seem to work this weekenddialtone wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:00HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.
https://i.imgur.com/OyyFFsv.jpeg
This is compared to LEC as it's what I had, but Ferrari top speed was on par with RBR. HAM seems to lose in T5-6-7 and the slow speed traction. Probably they tried to fix the top speed with the smaller wing judging that their tire degradation would save them, together with maybe helping warming those tires up faster.
High speed corners is where Mercedes loses a ton it seems.pursue_one's wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:28organic wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:14In terms of being bad at Saudi I'm thinking of high speed corners where the car does not seem to work this weekenddialtone wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 22:00
HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.
https://i.imgur.com/OyyFFsv.jpeg
This is compared to LEC as it's what I had, but Ferrari top speed was on par with RBR. HAM seems to lose in T5-6-7 and the slow speed traction. Probably they tried to fix the top speed with the smaller wing judging that their tire degradation would save them, together with maybe helping warming those tires up faster.
I can't ever see them turning it around though, they don't have a Newey in the team.Matt2725 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 21:44I don't think it's quite that extreme. We didn't see Newey and Red Bull pack up after 2015 two years after dominating did we?harty71 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 21:25Just as I thought, this is the beginning of the end for Mercedes. Losing Allison and other key members to RB has started the rot. Team members are leaving the sinking ship, last year was the beginning of the end for Mercedes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them out of the sport sooner rather than later.
thing is they had to grovel on their knees to beg newey to return after 2015. newey was had retired and was designing boats.Matt2725 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 21:44I don't think it's quite that extreme. We didn't see Newey and Red Bull pack up after 2015 two years after dominating did we?harty71 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2023, 21:25Just as I thought, this is the beginning of the end for Mercedes. Losing Allison and other key members to RB has started the rot. Team members are leaving the sinking ship, last year was the beginning of the end for Mercedes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them out of the sport sooner rather than later.
They also lose a ton of time under braking. I would assume that’s due to the lower downforce wing which gives them better top speed. Ultimately it’s all probably tied to the floor not generating enough downforce.
I wonder if the floor edge height increase is playing a role.