2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[GoranF1]

At this rate Alonso will catch Hamilton in title number by year 2029

[dialtone]

Bahrain is also probably going to be one of the w14's worst tracks imo. Expect better things at Saudi/Australia

Not if you look at their sector 2 Saudi will be worse

Looking at telemetry seems you might be right. But maybe they suffer in high speed at Bahrain so much due to having to compromise it for traction, slow speed rotation etc. It's hard to say.

HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.



This is compared to LEC as it's what I had, but Ferrari top speed was on par with RBR. HAM seems to lose in T5-6-7 and the slow speed traction. Probably they tried to fix the top speed with the smaller wing judging that their tire degradation would save them, together with maybe helping warming those tires up faster.

[organic]

Not if you look at their sector 2 Saudi will be worse

Looking at telemetry seems you might be right. But maybe they suffer in high speed at Bahrain so much due to having to compromise it for traction, slow speed rotation etc. It's hard to say.

HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.

https://i.imgur.com/OyyFFsv.jpeg

This is compared to LEC as it's what I had, but Ferrari top speed was on par with RBR. HAM seems to lose in T5-6-7 and the slow speed traction. Probably they tried to fix the top speed with the smaller wing judging that their tire degradation would save them, together with maybe helping warming those tires up faster.

In terms of being bad at Saudi I'm thinking of high speed corners where the car does not seem to work this weekend

[pursue_one's]

Looking at telemetry seems you might be right. But maybe they suffer in high speed at Bahrain so much due to having to compromise it for traction, slow speed rotation etc. It's hard to say.

HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.

https://i.imgur.com/OyyFFsv.jpeg

This is compared to LEC as it's what I had, but Ferrari top speed was on par with RBR. HAM seems to lose in T5-6-7 and the slow speed traction. Probably they tried to fix the top speed with the smaller wing judging that their tire degradation would save them, together with maybe helping warming those tires up faster.

In terms of being bad at Saudi I'm thinking of high speed corners where the car does not seem to work this weekend

[Sevach]

HAM's top speed on his fast lap wasn't bad.

https://i.imgur.com/OyyFFsv.jpeg

This is compared to LEC as it's what I had, but Ferrari top speed was on par with RBR. HAM seems to lose in T5-6-7 and the slow speed traction. Probably they tried to fix the top speed with the smaller wing judging that their tire degradation would save them, together with maybe helping warming those tires up faster.

In terms of being bad at Saudi I'm thinking of high speed corners where the car does not seem to work this weekend

High speed corners is where Mercedes loses a ton it seems.

[organic]

A telemetry comparison to RB/Verstappen would show it best, as they have the best high speed cornering

[zakhassan44]

we seem to be a midfield team for the time being, wow did not expect this at all. pinning all our hopes on that major upgrade that's due in a couple races time

[harty71]

Just as I thought, this is the beginning of the end for Mercedes. Losing Allison and other key members to RB has started the rot. Team members are leaving the sinking ship, last year was the beginning of the end for Mercedes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them out of the sport sooner rather than later.

I don't think it's quite that extreme. We didn't see Newey and Red Bull pack up after 2015 two years after dominating did we?

I can't ever see them turning it around though, they don't have a Newey in the team.

They were best of the rest at the back end of last year, you'd expect them to kick on from that and start much stronger, they have gone backwards going off practice, let's see for sure tomorrow and Sunday.

[Venturiation]

The problems the W14 is having have to be aerodynamic mostly because it doesn’t make sense that a customer team with same components except aero is battling for 2nd place

Mike is talking about the floor again, are they using same floor as 2022 and for now just fixed the bouncing or everything was changed but still not working compared to 2022? At that point why even introduce the new sidepods that they are currently using if they are getting changed anyway

[cplchanb]

Just as I thought, this is the beginning of the end for Mercedes. Losing Allison and other key members to RB has started the rot. Team members are leaving the sinking ship, last year was the beginning of the end for Mercedes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them out of the sport sooner rather than later.

I don't think it's quite that extreme. We didn't see Newey and Red Bull pack up after 2015 two years after dominating did we?

thing is they had to grovel on their knees to beg newey to return after 2015. newey was had retired and was designing boats.

[mkay]

In terms of being bad at Saudi I'm thinking of high speed corners where the car does not seem to work this weekend

High speed corners is where Mercedes loses a ton it seems.

They also lose a ton of time under braking. I would assume that’s due to the lower downforce wing which gives them better top speed. Ultimately it’s all probably tied to the floor not generating enough downforce.

[Mestrades]

If the problem is in the high speed corners, probably it is a lack of downforce. I would like to see an onboard camera to analize the behaviour on those corners... over or understeer?
I really think that this rear motor cover + 0pod concept do not help to make work aerodynamically properly the RW and the difusor.
Obviously they have tons of CFD engineers, but I think they have to back to basics...

[organic]

They lack underfloor downforce. That's obvious. They switched floor concept months after the other teams and the other team who has majorly switched concept - AMR - had a ton of CFD/wind tunnel to sort it out.

Merc were good in the high speed at testing when they ran the large RW, so that shows they can be good at high speed corners but just not efficiently

[Vanja #66]

We need some people with insider knowledge to show up and report, asap. Could the team be afraid to push with floor design due to fear of bouncing?

[AR3-GP]

We need some people with insider knowledge to show up and report, asap. Could the team be afraid to push with floor design due to fear of bouncing?

I wonder if the floor edge height increase is playing a role.