2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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organic wrote:
06 Mar 2023, 23:43
Juzh wrote:
06 Mar 2023, 23:40
I went trough verstappen's onboard, nothing remarkable to report, except for unreal amounts of lift and coast from lap 1 till the end and just general driving at 7/10s for literally the whole race. You can see it in car behaviour that it's just not being pushed. Leaving meters of tarmac unused on exits and stuff like that. You wonder how it's possible to be fast this way, but here we are.
At some point because of all this not pushing front brakes stared to develop a split in temps, so he had to brake harder on some laps to remedy the situation.
Engine got detuned with about 8-10 laps remaining. Engine 6, position 1 - looks like this reduces performance in some way. I dont believe you can actually go back up on the engine once you lower it, can anyone confirm this? Seems unlikely with locked engine maps from quali onwards.
Other than that just constant reminders of laptime targets.
I think you are allowed to change the electronic deployment of the engine which is likely what they did. I believe if you reduced to a very low level of deployment, you would also decrease the load on the engine through lowering RPM - or am I mistaken?

Also lowering engine modes during a race requires a reliability reason and has to go through the FIA process of being approved I believe
You can do a bunch of stuff since the engine map is a 3D map possibly even 4D too... Simple thing to do is limit the boost pressure. On the same engine map the engine will simply inject less fuel to make less power.

Also can open wastegate slightly if you wish to reduce engine temperatures a bit too...
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organic wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 02:21
In recent F1 nation podcast they interview Adrian Newey and he talks about an unexpected reliability problem that the team found during Friday free practices. anyone have an idea what this could be?

All I can think of is the plank wear and floor raising that was suggested in the media?
Wasn’t this the oil inlet pipe?
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organic wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 02:21
In recent F1 nation podcast they interview Adrian Newey and he talks about an unexpected reliability problem that the team found during Friday free practices. anyone have an idea what this could be?

All I can think of is the plank wear and floor raising that was suggested in the media?
Only oil pipes are told by team so far. Not sure if it counts as reliability but maybe something with the front brakes? They were colder than they should be based on the messages from radios

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Interesting radio conversation between Max and his engineer... Checo Pérez is still in troubled waters with Max. Or so it seems. If the precise circumstances arise, there may be problems between them and this will affect the team. Let's hope that Max doesn't have problems in a race and then needs the help of the Mexican...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C94O_XNnK4E
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I clicked on the link and there's nothing interesting said by anyone... Just RB cruising to a target lap time, "happy to go slower".

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Otromundo wrote:
08 Mar 2023, 06:03
Interesting radio conversation between Max and his engineer... Checo Pérez is still in troubled waters with Max. Or so it seems. If the precise circumstances arise, there may be problems between them and this will affect the team. Let's hope that Max doesn't have problems in a race and then needs the help of the Mexican...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C94O_XNnK4E
Usual nationalistic malarkey.
As soon as I saw title in spanish I just knew it was gonna be misleading video. It omits certain important messages and presents them completely out of order. Yes, verstappen is given a 37.0 target very late in the race after they are both on hard tyres but video makes it look like they're screwing perez over with a lower target than verstappen after he passes leclerc, supposedly because max is afraid of perez :lol:

In fact at the time perez passes Leclerc, Verstappen's laptimes are in the range of 37.3-37.7 for the entire second stint and that doesn't change after perez passes leclerc. Gap stays constant at around 13-14 seconds between them.

perez gets this message a few laps after he passes leclerc

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That’s savage reading for anyone really if it’s true. The fact they putting minimal effort into this years car means they know it’s fast. Seriously fast
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Full quote and original article:

https://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/fr/ ... 79700.html
"The penalty was announced to us relatively early. Around Singapore, it crystallised and we knew it was going to cost us."

"So, quite early on, we focused on evolving and optimising things that maybe hadn't been ideal on the old car like reducing the weight. And if we brought something to test in the wind tunnel, it had to work first time ideally."

"And I think we succeeded judging by the result today. We deliberately built in as much less time as possible on the RB19 so as not to sacrifice the future RB20."

"We owe it all to a core group in the team who have been working together for 15 years, they know what, how, they are in tune with each other. Of course we have a genius with Adrian Newey, but the substructure is also made up of highly skilled and intelligent people."
Marko is known to shitstir but yeah that's worrying for this year and next year

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organic wrote:
08 Mar 2023, 13:36
Full quote and original article:

https://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/fr/ ... 79700.html
"The penalty was announced to us relatively early. Around Singapore, it crystallised and we knew it was going to cost us."

"So, quite early on, we focused on evolving and optimising things that maybe hadn't been ideal on the old car like reducing the weight. And if we brought something to test in the wind tunnel, it had to work first time ideally."

"And I think we succeeded judging by the result today. We deliberately built in as much less time as possible on the RB19 so as not to sacrifice the future RB20."

"We owe it all to a core group in the team who have been working together for 15 years, they know what, how, they are in tune with each other. Of course we have a genius with Adrian Newey, but the substructure is also made up of highly skilled and intelligent people."
Marko is known to shitstir but yeah that's worrying for this year and next year
So basically in budget era you go BrawnGP . Do as much as you can early in the season and stop developing current car and focus on next years car (except Brawn didn't have money that's why they couldn't develop as much ) :D

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Yes build as big of an advantage as possible so as to demoralise your opponents at the beginning and make them think they can't catch up, and use that as your primary weapon

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organic wrote:
08 Mar 2023, 14:05
Yes build as big of an advantage as possible so as to demoralise your opponents at the beginning and make them think they can't catch up, and use that as your primary weapon
This also has the double effect of bluffing, as the teams behind who will develop throughout the season will gain a false sense of confidence towards the end and possibly stick to a development curve that will lag behind for the next season. Hint, hint.

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chrisc90 wrote:
08 Mar 2023, 13:29
That’s savage reading for anyone really if it’s true. The fact they putting minimal effort into this years car means they know it’s fast. Seriously fast
It probably makes good sense. If it is so close to being the ultimate for that package, why use resources hunting for fractions on this concept when they could be used on the next iteration of the car which would start from a higher point and it would be easier to find bigger 'chunks' of time ready for when other teams have caught up.

This years car looks quite capable of holding its own at the moment, so unless there are developments by others all they would be beating is themselves.

Having said that, no gained knowledge is wasted, so it would be a balancing act act of resource for now v future.
They may well decide to take what is on the table and trust in the future car.
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kediown wrote:
08 Mar 2023, 13:22
Already talking about the RB20?? :wtf: :shock:
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They are talking about a significant step for Baku. At that point they might decide the advantage is enough to hold until the championships are won. If so it does make complete sense to switch to the rb20 immediately as the rb19 is very mature already; as others have pointed out the development potential will likely be lower as they will have exploited the easy avenues already

Then again it's easy to talk like that after Baku. Saudi Arabia will give a clearer picture how close Ferrari will be at other types of track