2023 Aston Martin | Aramco | Cognizant F1 Team

[RedNEO]

Any one knows reason behind Lance’s misshape after 2nd start…cold tires?

His front left break was smoking well just before that, so possibly glazing?

Same thing seemed to happen at Bahrain at start - missing t10 on form lap and then careening into back of alonso at t4

Seems he needs better practice how to keep his temps under control on formation laps because as you point out it’s not a one off.

[organic]

His front left break was smoking well just before that, so possibly glazing?

Same thing seemed to happen at Bahrain at start - missing t10 on form lap and then careening into back of alonso at t4

Seems he needs better practice how to keep his temps under control on formation laps because as you point out it’s not a one off.

Or is a weakpoint of car. Fernando is normally one of the best starters on the grid, but hasn't looked that way so far this season - more average than anything. Could be the brake temps and front tyres are just too low for Fernando to be effective, and a lesser driver such as Stroll has bigger problems.

[peewon]

Same thing seemed to happen at Bahrain at start - missing t10 on form lap and then careening into back of alonso at t4

Seems he needs better practice how to keep his temps under control on formation laps because as you point out it’s not a one off.

Or is a weakpoint of car. Fernando is normally one of the best starters on the grid, but hasn't looked that way so far this season - more average than anything. Could be the brake temps and front tyres are just too low for Fernando to be effective, and a lesser driver such as Stroll has bigger problems.

Usually cars which are good on their tyres are not good at warming them up quickly. A521 was similar. Even Red Bulls have struggled at the start.

[AR3-GP]

It doesn’t help that the AMR is so draggy either. This puts them at an immediate disadvantage in a drag race to T1. They punch a good hole in the air for those behind, while also having inherently more to overcome in order to pull alongside another car. When he pulls out of the slipstream, the drag penalty returns.

[diffuser]

Same thing seemed to happen at Bahrain at start - missing t10 on form lap and then careening into back of alonso at t4

Seems he needs better practice how to keep his temps under control on formation laps because as you point out it’s not a one off.

Or is a weakpoint of car. Fernando is normally one of the best starters on the grid, but hasn't looked that way so far this season - more average than anything. Could be the brake temps and front tyres are just too low for Fernando to be effective, and a lesser driver such as Stroll has bigger problems.

In His Championship years at Renault, that car was a rocket off the line. They had that Mass Damper.

[AR3-GP]

Seems he needs better practice how to keep his temps under control on formation laps because as you point out it’s not a one off.

Or is a weakpoint of car. Fernando is normally one of the best starters on the grid, but hasn't looked that way so far this season - more average than anything. Could be the brake temps and front tyres are just too low for Fernando to be effective, and a lesser driver such as Stroll has bigger problems.

In His Championship years at Renault, that car was a rocket off the line. They had that Mass Damper.

I don't think the mass damper had anything to do with that. It was only tuned for platform stability over bumps.

[Farnborough]

His championship Renault had rearward weight bias (reason for fia now proscribed %) increased size of drive shaft etc, preloaded clutch in immediate engine set as they bring up revs just before release, all to absolutely fire that car off the line.

Mass damper was to control undamped front tyre "spring mass" response and optimization of larger Michelin fronts.

Both these complained about by Ferrari I believe

[peewon]

Or is a weakpoint of car. Fernando is normally one of the best starters on the grid, but hasn't looked that way so far this season - more average than anything. Could be the brake temps and front tyres are just too low for Fernando to be effective, and a lesser driver such as Stroll has bigger problems.

In His Championship years at Renault, that car was a rocket off the line. They had that Mass Damper.

I don't think the mass damper had anything to do with that. It was only tuned for platform stability over bumps.

Yeah, if I recall the '05 and '06 Renault had the best electronic and launch control on the grid. They were also using the signal from the race director to time the start.

[AR3-GP]

In hindsight it's a shame they removed the last chicane in Barcelona. This car would have been a missile out of the last corner if Bahrain is anything to go by.

[diffuser]

Or is a weakpoint of car. Fernando is normally one of the best starters on the grid, but hasn't looked that way so far this season - more average than anything. Could be the brake temps and front tyres are just too low for Fernando to be effective, and a lesser driver such as Stroll has bigger problems.

In His Championship years at Renault, that car was a rocket off the line. They had that Mass Damper.

I don't think the mass damper had anything to do with that. It was only tuned for platform stability over bumps.

Allowed you to run a softer suspension for better mechanical grip.

[Farnborough]

In His Championship years at Renault, that car was a rocket off the line. They had that Mass Damper.

I don't think the mass damper had anything to do with that. It was only tuned for platform stability over bumps.

Allowed you to run a softer suspension for better mechanical grip.

A response to directly cancel the front tyre (they went to the largest tyre they couod use) kinetic.

As weight in vertical compressed the carcass, just as that peaked then inverted, the mass damper was tuned to travel in opposition to that effect.
Frequency arrangement such that the sine wave form exactly crossed for those two component to cancel each other.

It means the hydraulic damper can be used only to control other normal chassis kinetics without compromise in coping with this Frequency.

[AR3-GP]

In His Championship years at Renault, that car was a rocket off the line. They had that Mass Damper.

I don't think the mass damper had anything to do with that. It was only tuned for platform stability over bumps.

Allowed you to run a softer suspension for better mechanical grip.

It was the opposite actually. Using stiff suspension to maintain an optimum ground clearance for aerodynamic performance was more important than mechanical grip. The mass damper suppressed the "jumping" of the car due to stiff suspension when the car ran over kerbs.

As I know it pains you to ever agree with me on anything ( ), I have supplied the following motorsport.com tech article:
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/banne ... h/4788123/

Renault's mass damper is a typical example of Formula 1 teams using their ingenuity and lateral thinking to find a way around a problem, and then exploit it even further.

The Enstone-based team had found the rules introduced for 2005 required it to run an excessive amount of front spring stiffness to keep the front wing as close as possible to the ground.

This was the sort of mechanical trade-off that teams typically make to try to find aerodynamic performance. However, this set off an unwanted bounce effect when the car was in pitch, and so a push was made to try to find a way of counteracting its effect.

Renault immediately found that the mass damper would not only settle the car, but also allow their drivers to attack the kerbs much harder, giving a more compliant ride and a more stable aerodynamic platform.

and in a shameless effort to bring this back on topic, Aston Martin do not have a mass damper...that we know of . Although Alonso may have one...between his...oh nevermind

[diffuser]

I don't think the mass damper had anything to do with that. It was only tuned for platform stability over bumps.

Allowed you to run a softer suspension for better mechanical grip.

A response to directly cancel the front tyre (they went to the largest tyre they couod use) kinetic.

As weight in vertical compressed the carcass, just as that peaked then inverted, the mass damper was tuned to travel in opposition to that effect.
Frequency arrangement such that the sine wave form exactly crossed for those two component to cancel each other.

It means the hydraulic damper can be used only to control other normal chassis kinetics without compromise in coping with this Frequency.

They had a rear damper too.

[diffuser]

I don't think the mass damper had anything to do with that. It was only tuned for platform stability over bumps.

Allowed you to run a softer suspension for better mechanical grip.

It was the opposite actually. Using stiff suspension to maintain an optimum ground clearance for aerodynamic performance was more important than mechanical grip. The mass damper suppressed the "jumping" of the car due to stiff suspension when the car ran over kerbs.

As I know it pains you to ever agree with me on anything ( ), I have supplied the following motorsport.com tech article:
https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/banne ... h/4788123/

Renault's mass damper is a typical example of Formula 1 teams using their ingenuity and lateral thinking to find a way around a problem, and then exploit it even further.

The Enstone-based team had found the rules introduced for 2005 required it to run an excessive amount of front spring stiffness to keep the front wing as close as possible to the ground.

This was the sort of mechanical trade-off that teams typically make to try to find aerodynamic performance. However, this set off an unwanted bounce effect when the car was in pitch, and so a push was made to try to find a way of counteracting its effect.

Renault immediately found that the mass damper would not only settle the car, but also allow their drivers to attack the kerbs much harder, giving a more compliant ride and a more stable aerodynamic platform.

and in a shameless effort to bring this back on topic, Aston Martin do not have a mass damper...that we know of . Although Alonso may have one...between his...oh nevermind

Lol

[NAPI10]

AM can’t ask for better start to the season....what’s more incredible is to score maximum possible points & podium in all 3 races without any upgrade, with just the base/launch version of car.
You can call them lucky in Australia & too some extent in Jeddah but fortune always favors the brave. Team is brave enough to believe in its vision & took lot of brave steps to achieve it.
It’s a long season, lots of races to come but 2 teams will be happy going into this ‘Mini Break’ and AM is one of them.