2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[CaribouBread]

This has gone far too long, just use the ignore button guys. Nothing productive is happening in this discourse. Makes the forum a slog to read through multiple pages of agenda pushing.

[SoulPancake13]

Marko saying Ferrari were faster than Red Bull yesterday:
A snippet from the article:

I was 100% sure he was again full of it, but when you compare the laps on compounds and correct them for fuel both Ferraris were on equal footing with Max. But, again, it was a colder race than usual and this must have helped them.

Didn't we have the softest tires in the range in Canada? I feel like the car has done well with those in the past.

Same tyres in Baku, but Sainz struggled a lot there, so the softest range available is not really a guarantee for the team.

Do you have the data for the fuel adjusted laps? I am just curious

[SoulPancake13]

Interesting from Nugnes. He says during the tyre tests, Ferrari found a new setup with slightly higher ride height and softer suspension. Also, they change how the electric power is delivered to preserve the tyres. Article here: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10485504/

[KimiRai]

Interesting from Nugnes. He says during the tyre tests, Ferrari found a new setup with slightly higher ride height and softer suspension. Also, they change how the electric power is delivered to preserve the tyres. Article here: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10485504/

What Nugnes writes is always interesting, sometimes wrong (like everyone often is), but people always claim he's a fiction writer and invents things all the time when a lot of what he says makes sense.

[Ced]

Interesting from Nugnes. He says during the tyre tests, Ferrari found a new setup with slightly higher ride height and softer suspension. Also, they change how the electric power is delivered to preserve the tyres. Article here: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10485504/

What Nugnes writes is always interesting, sometimes wrong (like everyone often is), but people always claim he's a fiction writer and invents things all the time when a lot of what he says makes sense. Ferrari fans...

Truth detected in there

[kimmmykim]

This has gone far too long, just use the ignore button guys. Nothing productive is happening in this discourse. Makes the forum a slog to read through multiple pages of agenda pushing.

I agree. This back and forth has dragged for a few weeks now. The forums is a drag to sift through looking for posts relevant to the Ferrari team at present.

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[Xwang]

Interesting from Nugnes. He says during the tyre tests, Ferrari found a new setup with slightly higher ride height and softer suspension. Also, they change how the electric power is delivered to preserve the tyres. Article here: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10485504/

What Nugnes writes is always interesting, sometimes wrong (like everyone often is), but people always claim he's a fiction writer and invents things all the time when a lot of what he says makes sense.

I personally think that Nugnes is good in analysis of past events, but very bad when he tends to predict things expecially when he tries to anticipate new bits coming in Ferrari 's car.

[rbirules]

BTW, there´s any precedent of a F1 team providing TOs to favour the driver with fewer points in the table?

Yes. Silverstone 2022 and Brazil 2022 at Ferrari to favor Sainz.

What race did you watch at Silverstone in 2022?

The only TO was to let Lecrerc pass, not the other way around

Then at the restart Sainz took the lead again as he was faster than Lecrerc, who dropped back and even got passed by Hamilton and Perez

Final result: Sainz p1, Lecrerc p4

Are you suggesting Ferrari should have renounced to victory to favour Lecrerc and finish Lecrerc P3 and Sainz p4 instead of P1 and p4?

Sainz took the lead at the restart because Ferrari decided not to bring both cars in for softs and left Leclerc out on hards while everybody behind him pitted for softs. Then they asked Sainz to build a gap to protect Charles due to all the other cars being on softs. Sainz refused sensing a chance for his first win, and immediately passed Charles. Others quickly followed.

They would not have finished P3 and P4 if they had brought Leclerc in for softs. They would have had a chance at a 1-2 finish, or maybe a 1-3 if Sainz was passed in the pits and couldn't get past Hamilton with 10-11 laps to do so after the restart.

Maybe you consider that more along the lines of strategy than team orders, but Ferrari told Leclerc not to pit under safety car.

[Vanja #66]

Do you have the data for the fuel adjusted laps? I am just curious

It's a really rudimentary fuel adjustment, here's my reasoning (very conservative):

- Max' final quick lap on Medium (1st stint) was 17.268 on lap 11
- Leclerc's first truly quick lap after SC on Mediums was 17.0 on lap 19 (Sainz about the same)
- Race was 70 laps, roughly 95kg of fuel gets burned, so roughly 1.35kg per lap, so roughly 10kg for 8 laps apart (it was actually less than that due to SC, but let's not complicate too much)
- Assuming the same state of tires for Max' lap 11 and Leclerc's lap 19 (again, not really, but we avoid complications)
- 10kg of fuel is roughly estimated at 3 tenths per lap usually, let's say at this track it's 2 tenths (short lap, rear-limited, no long high-speed corners)
- Max's time on lap 11 less 2 tenths is just shy of Leclerc's time on lap 19

Same algorithm for lap times on Hards, this time with few laps on those tyres so we are sure they were up to temperature:

- Max' lap 25 time was 16.682, Leclerc's 15.907 on lap 47
- 22 laps is 30kg of fuel, so roughly 6 tenths
- Max' lap 25 less 6 tenths is 2 tenths slower than Leclerc's lap 47 corrected for fuel

I have to say, Max was clipping his top speed a lot until 10-15 laps to the end, so it looks like he was controlling his pace without slowing down in corners that would make the tyres cool down. That said, it doesn't look like he lost more than 2-3 tenths in total with that clipping, so it's hard to tell what was going on.

[SoulPancake13]

Do you have the data for the fuel adjusted laps? I am just curious

It's a really rudimentary fuel adjustment, here's my reasoning (very conservative):

- Max' final quick lap on Medium (1st stint) was 17.268 on lap 11
- Leclerc's first truly quick lap after SC on Mediums was 17.0 on lap 19 (Sainz about the same)
- Race was 70 laps, roughly 95kg of fuel gets burned, so roughly 1.35kg per lap, so roughly 10kg for 8 laps apart (it was actually less than that due to SC, but let's not complicate too much)
- Assuming the same state of tires for Max' lap 11 and Leclerc's lap 19 (again, not really, but we avoid complications)
- 10kg of fuel is roughly estimated at 3 tenths per lap usually, let's say at this track it's 2 tenths (short lap, rear-limited, no long high-speed corners)
- Max's time on lap 11 less 2 tenths is just shy of Leclerc's time on lap 19

Same algorithm for lap times on Hards, this time with few laps on those tyres so we are sure they were up to temperature:

- Max' lap 25 time was 16.682, Leclerc's 15.907 on lap 47
- 22 laps is 30kg of fuel, so roughly 6 tenths
- Max' lap 25 less 6 tenths is 2 tenths slower than Leclerc's lap 47 corrected for fuel

I have to say, Max was clipping his top speed a lot until 10-15 laps to the end, so it looks like he was controlling his pace without slowing down in corners that would make the tyres cool down. That said, it doesn't look like he lost more than 2-3 tenths in total with that clipping, so it's hard to tell what was going on.

Ah got it, makes sense to me! Thank you for the explanation : )

[michael202223]

totally agree, the typical gain is around 0.8-1 sec for the top teams.

[mzso]

Carlos was barely faster and more so not constantly throughout the race so an overtake wouldn't have likely happened unless some risk would be involved.

Was he? The one in the back always thinks so. But when the one in front stops managing pace, often they're suddenly not.

[mzso]

You can actually know pretty well, why he was slow, if you look at his replay and telemetry. He understeered into T2, where he lost 0,5s to HAM and ALO, went on to have a pretty good rest of the lap (on par with ALO and made up that loss to HAM), but unfortunately rode the curb in T13 a bit too much and it cost him another 0,2s, which put him behind HAM. He had a good lap on softs which would get him into Q3, but unfortunately cut the T13.

What's sad for me is that Charles seems not to have much of a confidence in the car in wet. He struggled much in this quali, struggled in Spain quali and his Monaco wet run wasn't that great either. Hopefully the next updates would suit him better.

Is there a video around of the lap in question?

Only F1TV.

Yeah, but sometimes stuff like this are uploaded to streaming platforms.

[CjC]

Any rumours who the signing is?
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ferra ... /10485721/

[dfegan358]

Gardening leave is a bit of a joke really. Duration seems to be getting out of hand and longer each year. Such a waste really