2023 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 30 - July 02

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Spoutnik wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:36
What a boring race really
Not much to say. Race thread are becoming shorter and shorter !
There will be a week talking about track limits don’t worry

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Sieper wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 17:29
Yuki needs to cool down a bit. Not much, just a bit. He took so much risk that opening lap. That is then not only for yourself, but also for others.
when your car is rubbish the driver try to overcompensate that what u would want from a young driver to show some youthful vigor.mclaren were backmarkers in some races now fighting at front. alpha tauri need a similar update

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DGP123 wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:37
Spoutnik wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:36
What a boring race really
Not much to say. Race thread are becoming shorter and shorter !
There will be a week talking about track limits don’t worry
DRS detection zone maybe too. The only two interestings things that went on

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Bill wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:40
Sieper wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 17:29
Yuki needs to cool down a bit. Not much, just a bit. He took so much risk that opening lap. That is then not only for yourself, but also for others.
when your car is rubbish the driver try to overcompensate that what u would want from a young driver to show some youthful vigor.mclaren were backmarkers in some races now fighting at front. alpha tauri need a similar update
They do. They are the slowest team now. But that turn 1, putting your nose there. There were already 3 guys trying to fit through so Yuki thinks, good, this is my chance? Turn 3, again crowding others, turn 4 again, misses braking point (damaged wing ofc, but that was his own fault) by some margin. It is just all a bit much. I did also say he doesn’t need to drop all of it, but he does need to be a tad more realistic.

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Matt2725 wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 16:49
It was one of the races of all time.

Can't fault RB for creating the monster that is their car, but it's getting a bit...tiresome?
I love watching perfection. Awesome race to watch.

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This could have all been avoided with some temporary, well-placed, astroturf or grass.
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Spoutnik wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:42
DGP123 wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:37
Spoutnik wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:36
What a boring race really
Not much to say. Race thread are becoming shorter and shorter !
There will be a week talking about track limits don’t worry
DRS detection zone maybe too. The only two interestings things that went on
Simple fix for DRS detection zone though. Most of the DRS detections present at corner entry have been moved to the exit and it has eradicated Drs chicken at those circuits. They'll likely do the same with this one

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Aston martin's protest on track limit violations that were not applied in race has been upheld and race results will be updated in due course and penalties applied in the final classification

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organic wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 19:56
Aston martin's protest on track limit violations that were not applied in race has been upheld and race results will be updated in due course and penalties applied in the final classification

https://i.imgur.com/FkZL5up.jpeg
Over 100 deleted laps, that's enough for nearly every car to have a 5 second penalty

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Mchamilton wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 20:00
organic wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 19:56
Aston martin's protest on track limit violations that were not applied in race has been upheld and race results will be updated in due course and penalties applied in the final classification

https://i.imgur.com/FkZL5up.jpeg
Over 100 deleted laps, that's enough for nearly every car to have a 5 second penalty
Laptimes deleted at the end of the lap ( entry and exit of T10) delete your current laptime and the subsequent lap as the manner in which the final corner is taken affects the subsequent lap's laptimes. Many of the breaches took place at this corner hence that 100 deleted laps likely represents closer to 50 actual breaches.

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organic wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:21
Stig14 wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 18:18
organic wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 16:59


It's a sprint weekend and AMR have had only a few dry sessions since their big upgrade package & are still understanding it. High-speed has never been their strength either of which there are many corners at Austria. With some dry weekends and more understanding AMR will resurge IMO.
One could argue that McLaren have had even less time with a similarly extensive package of upgrades on only a single car and so should have even more to come from the optimisation of the setup for the package.

Added to that the fact McLaren say this is only half of the overall package, I think the step they're making towards the sharp end of the grid might be genuine. We will have some answers in less than a week...
We'll find out if Hakkinnen had the crystal ball
Or the crystal meth.

Piastri had a bad race, the car took damage, but still, the gap throughout the whole weekend was huge so you have to feel that certainly at this track, the upgrade is a big improvement. Next week there are more upgrades and I expect merc to be back in it, so it will be a very interesting weekend again.
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“During the Grand Prix, Race Control was tasked with reviewing well over 1,200 instances where a car was reported as potentially leaving the track. The results will be updated once the review of those which were not able to be reviewed during the race is complete.”
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Scott Mitchell of the Race claims that the top 3 are in the clear:

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dialtone wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 16:07
AR3-GP wrote:Why is no one defending the track limit farce today?
Because I'm watching the race. Keep going.
any thoughts on it now? :lol: Dialtone, it's time to give up. It was a farce, and you know it...Is "sticking it to RB/Perez" really so important that we should just overlook the issues here? lol.

The FIA wasn't able to keep up with the breeches and have over 1200 potential infringements to review after the race.

They have now recommended that the Red Bull Ring install gravel traps on the outside of T9/T10 but I even think that's extreme. All that's needed is a bit of grass or astroturf in place of the blue curbing to enforce the track limits passively.

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AR3-GP wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 20:22
dialtone wrote:
02 Jul 2023, 16:07
AR3-GP wrote:Why is no one defending the track limit farce today?
Because I'm watching the race. Keep going.
any thoughts on it now? :lol: Dialtone, it's time to give up. It was a farce, and you know it...Is "sticking it to Perez" really so important that we should just overlook the issues here? lol.

The FIA wasn't able to keep up with the breeches and have over 1200 potential infringements to review after the race.

They have now recommended that the Red Bull Ring install gravel traps on the outside of T9/T10 but I even think that's extreme. All that's needed is a bit of grass or astroturf in place of the blue curbing to enforce the track limits passively.

https://storage.googleapis.com/the-race ... 24x684.jpg
typical bs form the FIA, never wanting to own up to there own faults. they could easily automate this, and the drivers, teams and fans would instantly know.
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