Aston Martin have lodged a protest due to track limits on other cars.
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Yes, i heard that. As i said, IMO he could easily do another 10 laps with competitive times. Probably even more if he really wanted to extend. Don't forget he was running in clean air from the start so he could do his type management as he wanted. By doing that he could keep his strategy open and flexible. He could maybe extend the 1st stint doing a one stop race (if deg allowed it, which it didn't), or he could pit l8r under another VSC or SC if something happened in the race (which it didn't), and if nothing happened at the end (as that was the case at the end), he could do 2 "shorter" stints on the mediums in which he could be "more aggressive" following a faster delta trying to gain the time lost by not pitting under VSC. IMO he would be able to gain the time back, and do a faster race overall. But How much Alonso lost with that decision is nothing compared to how much Stroll lost by pitting a lap too late. The team's mistake in pitting them a lap l8r, along with the timing of VSC ending really compromised Stroll. Compromised him way more than Alonso.diffuser wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 17:31So when Fernando and the engineer where talking before the 2nd pit stop. Alonso asked what the strategy was. The answer was "it is still plan A - 5 laps". That tells me they wanted atleast another 5 laps on the hards. I say "atleast" cause I'm sure they had to run more laps on the first set of med than they had planned.Bisonas wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 17:10I also support Alonso, yes... But..KimiRai wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 17:01
I'll only speak on Fernando's pov because that was what I followed. I think the switch to Mediums was the right call, the mistake was not pitting on the first lap of VSC. Regardless no matter what strategy you choose you need to have pace in order to succeed, pace is the key to all strategies.
When you have the luxury of running 2 cars on lets say split/flexible strategies from the start, there is no excuse.
Stroll had to pit the first time he came by the pit entry under VSC. That's a fact. I was like WTF they are doing.
If Alonso had to also pit or not is another story, but for me, being on hards, and running the whole stint in clear air controlling his pace, i am pretty sure his tires could easily do another 10 laps posting competitive times. That would allow him faster and shorter medium stints right after. IMO they should have kept him out. It was a VSC and not a SC. If it was a SC that would be a different story.
Regardless pitting both cars one lap l8r, was inexcusable. They should apologize to the Drivers, especially to Stroll.
Bisonas wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 20:38Yes, i heard that. As i said, IMO he could easily do another 10 laps with competitive times. Probably even more if he really wanted to extend. Don't forget he was running in clean air from the start so he could do his type management as he wanted. By doing that he could keep his strategy open and flexible. He could maybe extend the 1st stint doing a one stop race (if deg allowed it, which it didn't), or he could pit l8r under another VSC or SC if something happened in the race (which it didn't), and if nothing happened at the end (as that was the case at the end), he could do 2 "shorter" stints on the mediums in which he could be "more aggressive" following a faster delta trying to gain the time lost by not pitting under VSC. IMO he would be able to gain the time back, and do a faster race overall. But How much Alonso lost with that decision is nothing compared to how much Stroll lost by pitting a lap too late. The team's mistake in pitting them a lap l8r, along with the timing of VSC ending really compromised Stroll. Compromised him way more than Alonso.diffuser wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 17:31So when Fernando and the engineer where talking before the 2nd pit stop. Alonso asked what the strategy was. The answer was "it is still plan A - 5 laps". That tells me they wanted atleast another 5 laps on the hards. I say "atleast" cause I'm sure they had to run more laps on the first set of med than they had planned.Bisonas wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 17:10
I also support Alonso, yes... But..
When you have the luxury of running 2 cars on lets say split/flexible strategies from the start, there is no excuse.
Stroll had to pit the first time he came by the pit entry under VSC. That's a fact. I was like WTF they are doing.
If Alonso had to also pit or not is another story, but for me, being on hards, and running the whole stint in clear air controlling his pace, i am pretty sure his tires could easily do another 10 laps posting competitive times. That would allow him faster and shorter medium stints right after. IMO they should have kept him out. It was a VSC and not a SC. If it was a SC that would be a different story.
Regardless pitting both cars one lap l8r, was inexcusable. They should apologize to the Drivers, especially to Stroll.
At the end what happened didn't affect the results that much. Changed a bit the type of race (Strategy) Alonso was having and made life harder for Stroll. But we have to point out that mistakes where made by the team. Not for criticizing them in a bad way, but mainly for not repeating them in the future.
I disagree about Monaco. Luck gave them the opportunity to win (a fairly obvious call imo) and they blew it. Had they gone onto the inters the first time they would have come out ahead of Verstappen and won. If it stopped raining soon and inters turned out to be the wrong call, they had enough gap to pit for slicks again and keep 2nd. The cars behind them all pitted for inters on the same lap. There was no risk in going on inters and all the possible reward. It was a dumb error and even Horner said they let RB off the hook with that call.diffuser wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 16:52They didn't lose positions in Monaco, it didn't change the outcome and TBH it was a tough call.
I don't remember what happened in quali in Miami.
Today, when they came out after the pit stop, they were still 5 seconds behind. It wasn't a stregy issue anyways. The pit crew wasn't ready. If anything they could have used that lap to NOT double stack Stroll
The double stacking screwed Stroll's race.
If anything, I feel the engineer is asking Alonso to do to much lift a coast during the race. They find themselves too far behind to catch up in the final stint.
What hurt Alonso today:
1- Car balance on 1st stint, Hards+high fuel was bad(oversteer in some corners, understeer in others). Although, it got less pronounced on the Med, you have to believe it was still there, gutting pace.
2- Early safety car on hards, you always want to go long on hards. They would have liked to have gone another 5-10 laps on hards in that first stint. Would have had much more pace on the last 2 med stints.
Good post... if you were trying to explain what an overreaction means
If it stopped raining, they would've finished exactly where they did anyway because they already had a pit stop gap to Ocon. Which is why it was an obvious call. Strategy is evaluating the risk reward matrix in real time and making optimal decisions. Here they were presented with no risk and highest reward possible scenario and they botched it. Even if there was a scenario where they could've lost 2nd place to gamble for a race win, I would go for it. For a guy like Fernando, he may not get that opportunity ever again. There's only maybe 1 or 2 races a season which has a fluke winner.