Hungary 2023:
I think you're getting something mixed up here. The Red Bull last year had a very small throat height and the throat was also comparatively short, and strongly shifted to the back , if I remember correctly. It was the entire area in front of the throat that was relatively high and the "roof" was arched. This way, the Vortex of the front strakes was able to roll up more as it had more space available, making it more stable and arguably better positioned. All the way down to the kick point. But anyway - if I remember correctly the Throat was relatively far back, as well as low but short.LM10 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023, 23:14Oh right, now I can remember that the RB19 has had a high throat from the beginning and thus giving up on classic Venturi-generated floor downforce.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2023, 18:42In my view the opposite, it would indicate a step towards a high-throat-low-ride-height approach. They had this approach last year as well, F1-75 never had an extremely low throat-section like the early W13 had and I expected they were 110% certain they can make it work with going lower this year. Results proved otherwise...
Is Ferrari now somewhere between RB19 and W14 in terms of throat height? I’d be kind of upset to see Ferrari completely go the RBR way with their floor concept, proving that even with suspension work they would not be able to make their design work (for next season).
I think the setup window is so small because the floor is so simple.Vinlarr89 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2023, 15:24Such different floor concepts. Will be interesting to see if Ferrari move towards the RBR direction for 24 to close the gap. That being said, I still think Ferraris more simplistic Venturi could yield (and does show in certain conditions) great DF and good efficiency, but needs the mechanical engineering to increase the setup window
The fact the team were blaming windy conditions (again) for the disappointing performance on Saturday would seem to indicate that perhaps the performance enhancing vortices developed by this car lack either strength or robustness. Any work done to better understand what’s happening on the current car can only benefit future designs.Andi76 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2023, 20:08I think you're getting something mixed up here. The Red Bull last year had a very small throat height and the throat was also comparatively short, and strongly shifted to the back , if I remember correctly. It was the entire area in front of the throat that was relatively high and the "roof" was arched. This way, the Vortex of the front strakes was able to roll up more as it had more space available, making it more stable and arguably better positioned. All the way down to the kick point. But anyway - if I remember correctly the Throat was relatively far back, as well as low but short.
There might be something to it. For meing. wrote: ↑24 Jul 2023, 18:56The fact the team were blaming windy conditions (again) for the disappointing performance on Saturday would seem to indicate that perhaps the performance enhancing vortices developed by this car lack either strength or robustness. Any work done to better understand what’s happening on the current car can only benefit future designs.Andi76 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2023, 20:08I think you're getting something mixed up here. The Red Bull last year had a very small throat height and the throat was also comparatively short, and strongly shifted to the back , if I remember correctly. It was the entire area in front of the throat that was relatively high and the "roof" was arched. This way, the Vortex of the front strakes was able to roll up more as it had more space available, making it more stable and arguably better positioned. All the way down to the kick point. But anyway - if I remember correctly the Throat was relatively far back, as well as low but short.