Belgian GP 1995

[adam2007]

Why did Schumacher start 16th and Hill 8th?
What happened to them in qualifying?

[FGD]

why did Schumacher start 16th and Hill 8th. what happened to them in quaily?

As I recall, qualifying started out dry but rain engulfed the circuit before Schumacher could qualify. I believe Schumacher won the race. One of his best drives.

[siskue2005]

he missed the dry part of the quly and had to quly on wet track

and in the race, at one part MS was on Dry tyres and Hill on Wet tyres on a wet track .... and MS managed to defend Hill for more than 4 laps until the track turned dry
that was awesome!!!

[DaveKillens]

It was an entertaining battle between Hill and Schumacher. But this was also a race where Schumacher's actions were questionable, and one more source of controversy. Schumacher was given a one-race suspended ban for driving aggressively in order to stop Hill from passing him.
Some may marvel at how Schumacher held off Hill, others were not so impressed by his blatant and dangerous blocking.

[FGD]

It was an entertaining battle between Hill and Schumacher. But this was also a race where Schumacher's actions were questionable, and one more source of controversy. Schumacher was given a one-race suspended ban for driving aggressively in order to stop Hill from passing him.
Some may marvel at how Schumacher held off Hill, others were not so impressed by his blatant and dangerous blocking.

Just read your reply and then your signature quote from Dale Earnhardt. Hmm.

There's also a nice interview with Mika Hakkinen posted on AutoWeek.com wherein he talks about racing with Schumacher.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090702/F1/907029993

[adam2007]

Yeah i know fantastic race, classic schumacher vs hill battle.

[Belatti]

Friday qualy was in the wet, with Alesi at front, leading Frentzen (Sauber) and Coulthard (McLaren). Herbert crashed in LaSource but Briatore did not gave him Schumachers spare car.

After all night raining, Saturday appeared dry. The early practice was 22 seconds faster than Fridays best lap times. Schumacher risked at Malmedy and his Benetton escaped his hands, hitting hard against the wall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztypvUEkfmI
The storm returned and the activity was stopped. When the dry returned, qualy was starting and Todt sent the Ferraris out quickly. Hill tried the same but Monterminis Forti made him loose some time and the rain showed again. At the end of the session the track was starting to dry again. Schumacher was trying to improve Fridays laptime but the gearbox was stuck. He had to start from the back...

The race:

With the Ferraris at the front, Berger and Alesi had bad starts and let Herbert get P1. Sooner, Alesi recovered the lead. Before lap 3, when Alesi was followed by Herbert, Berger, Coulthard and Hill (started 8th), Schumacher was already 10th, leaving behind 6 cars. In lap 3 he was 8th. Later, Alesi got gearbox problems, Herbert spun... At lap 15, Hill pited for wets and Schumacher continued:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zYGkKzqco0
From lap 20 till 23, Schumacher somehow maintained the lead with some unfair but clever and spectacular manouvres. Later, rain stoped. Hill had to go back to the pits. In the hurry, he went beyond the pit speed limit and was penalized with a Stop and Go. Then, rain... again! Safety car for 3 laps, Schumacher in the lead, till the end. Hill went to the pits for the stop and go and bounced back with fury till the 3rd position, just to pass Brundle in the Ligier in the last lap.

Protests were all arround after the race. Someone said the authorities didnt want to penalize Schumacher because there were 50.000 Germans in the track that were feed only with beer for three days...

At last, a nice Schumacher driving style video I have found while searching videos for this post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk2p2nRK ... re=related

[DaveKillens]

Just read your reply and then your signature quote from Dale Earnhardt. Hmm.

There is a vast difference between being a determined and fierce competitor and being one who is willing to place others at risk because of their selfishness. Dale Earnhardt was one of the very dirtiest (yet best) drivers of all time. Although I may quote him and admire his resolve, I do not condone dirty driving.

[Conceptual]

Just read your reply and then your signature quote from Dale Earnhardt. Hmm.

There is a vast difference between being a determined and fierce competitor and being one who is willing to place others at risk because of their selfishness. Dale Earnhardt was one of the very dirtiest (yet best) drivers of all time. Although I may quote him and admire his resolve, I do not condone dirty driving.

Do you realize how completely contradictory what you just said is?

You admire him for being a great but dirty driver, but you do not condone dirty driving. That is like saying that you like donuts, but dont like what it is made of...

Oblique logic to say the least.

[Belatti]

Maybe Dave just doesnt like Schumacher, thats all. I dont like dirty driving but I dont like pussies, either. That Schumacer manouvres I liked, Jerez 1997 or Monaco 2006, dont.

[siskue2005]

It was an entertaining battle between Hill and Schumacher. But this was also a race where Schumacher's actions were questionable, and one more source of controversy. Schumacher was given a one-race suspended ban for driving aggressively in order to stop Hill from passing him.
Some may marvel at how Schumacher held off Hill, others were not so impressed by his blatant and dangerous blocking.

What??
MS didnot get any race ban after spa 1995?? what are you talking about!? :^o

And what was so controversial about his 2 laps of keeping Hill behind him?
see the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zYGkKzqco0
And tell whats controversial
He didnot do any sh1t...infact he was really fair to Hill all the time, unlike some of the moves we saw by Lewis and Kimi in Spa 2008!
MS didnot even block in the camel straight, where last year we saw Lewis blocking THREE TIMES in that straight.

People like you are the ones who spread lies around the internet, just to satisfy your ego.

[Giblet]

I can feel what Dave means I think. Nascar is a place where rubbing and blocking is common place, and the cars can do a little of rubbing and bumping without sending someone on their way to a possible death. I don't think it's the same thing on a circuit with open wheels and carbon shells.

I haven't watched the video, but I feel that blocking while under heavy braking in carbon cars is a different ball of wax then steel and closed wheels, that are trying to maintain speed.

I admire the ability of a MMA fighter's ability to knock out my teeth and put me on the floor in a second while there would be nothing I could do about it, doesn't mean I condone that action.

From the Wiki for the 1995 Belgium Grand Prix

"Schumacher was given a one-race suspended ban for driving aggressively in order to stop Hill from passing him. Schumacher's performance didn't impress Hill after his defensive moves forced Hill to either back off or go off the track. Some paddock people commented that, "there are 2 things you should not do in this world, box with Tyson or go racing with Schumacher" (at that time Tyson was at the peak of his powers). Schumacher claimed that he had only blocked Hill at the low-speed corners, but video evidence suggested that Schumacher had blocked Hill on some of the high speed corners, such as the Radillion and Blanchimont. Hill later commented that "We (he and Schumacher) had some pretty hairy moments and I am not satisfied with being driven into; I don't think that was acceptable. That is all well and good but if it was meant on purpose I would be very upset, F1 cars are not go-karts. I think there are some things which are acceptable and some things which are not." Schumacher defended himself by agreeing that touching wheels in high-speed corners is "not acceptable" but added that at the speed he and Hill were doing, he though it was acceptable.[1]"

Maybe the article is wrong, but Dave is not a liar, and maybe accusing him out as such was a little much.

please do research before calling baseless accusations. A suspended ban is not the same as a ban. That is the FIA saying "You were blocking dangerously, this is a warning, and next time you WILL be banned"

Everything Dave said was true, it wasn't until you were offended by the truth about Herr Schumacher that you attacked him

[Conceptual]

I have seen this race before, and I must say that I really didn't see anything deserving of a suspension.

Although I can see how the MS haters can find something wrong with it, especially the MS hater/Hill lovers.

I still think I have seen much worse in the last 4 years of F1 however.

[adam2007]

Hill saying after the race "these cars arnt go karts" with a sour face. but in 1998 canada he was aggressive with schumacher when schumacher was trying to over take.

[mx_tifoso]

... and in the race, at one part MS was on Dry tyres and Hill on Wet tyres on a wet track .... and MS managed to defend Hill for more than 4 laps until the track turned dry
that was awesome!!!

If only Glock could've done the same in Brazil last year...