Alonso would finish the race more than 20s behind Hamilton and he always had a clear track.
I can't see this as good race pace.
Yet he was 7 seconds ahead of Russell. Can't see that as being a bad outing either. They need upgrades but this was fantastic points for another step towards locking in 4th.
He did but when asked about the balance by his engineer, he said "a little oversteer but I'm OK with it". He preferred it to understeer.
I think if it was dry throughout it would've been clearer. Canada was pre-upgrades so completely different situation. Yes, their straight line speed, tyre deg and slow corners with traction are weak points but to what extent remains to be seen. Austria they were better than AM despite having lot of straights and slow corners. Here they opted for a high DF setup clearly anticipating weather throughout the weekend. They will be good in Monza I think. Maybe not 2nd best but better than AM unless next round of AM updates make significant improvement.diffuser wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 18:25You don't know that this wasn't McLaren best setup option. It does show that like in Canada, when they feel the need for top speed, they're lacking. When they're at a track where DF is king, they flourish. One more dry lap and Norris would have been 8th. We'll see if they're in trouble at Monza.organic wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 16:47OK true good analysispeewon wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 16:47
They are solidly the 5th best team ahead of Alpine, although they are not a million miles behind so finishing in the points should be straight forward. Its usually not higher than 7th or 8th, which would've been the case here without Mclaren setup gamble not working and Sainz's incident. This is the nadir of their performance this season and result today flatters them in terms of points but the pace is not really that different from the past few weeks.
With regards to Ferrari, is it just me that seems to think that their drivers are over anxiously and take turns at taking themselves out of races?
Yeah, I'm a AMR fan and the glass is half full. McLaren are faster but finished 17 seconds behind.peewon wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 20:52I think if it was dry throughout it would've been clearer. Canada was pre-upgrades so completely different situation. Yes, their straight line speed, tyre deg and slow corners with traction are weak points but to what extent remains to be seen. Austria they were better than AM despite having lot of straights and slow corners. Here they opted for a high DF setup clearly anticipating weather throughout the weekend. They will be good in Monza I think. Maybe not 2nd best but better than AM unless next round of AM updates make significant improvement.diffuser wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 18:25You don't know that this wasn't McLaren best setup option. It does show that like in Canada, when they feel the need for top speed, they're lacking. When they're at a track where DF is king, they flourish. One more dry lap and Norris would have been 8th. We'll see if they're in trouble at Monza.
With regards to Ferrari, is it just me that seems to think that their drivers are over anxiously and take turns at taking themselves out of races?
I try not to let my fandom obscure my judgement. Sure, what you said is correct but how encouraging it is requires proper context. Even if AM finish ahead of Mclaren on pace this season, and thats a big IF from where Im looking, is that the ultimate goal? For me, they've already got podiums, so any performance indicator has to point towards contending for wins and seeing how far off they are, I cant get too excited. This is why I was one of the more critical people of their decision making in Monaco. They had the chance to win and fumbled it away to secure 2nd. And my immediate thought was, "they might not ever get that chance again".diffuser wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 21:45Yeah, I'm a AMR fan and the glass is half full. McLaren are faster but finished 17 seconds behind.peewon wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 20:52I think if it was dry throughout it would've been clearer. Canada was pre-upgrades so completely different situation. Yes, their straight line speed, tyre deg and slow corners with traction are weak points but to what extent remains to be seen. Austria they were better than AM despite having lot of straights and slow corners. Here they opted for a high DF setup clearly anticipating weather throughout the weekend. They will be good in Monza I think. Maybe not 2nd best but better than AM unless next round of AM updates make significant improvement.diffuser wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 18:25
You don't know that this wasn't McLaren best setup option. It does show that like in Canada, when they feel the need for top speed, they're lacking. When they're at a track where DF is king, they flourish. One more dry lap and Norris would have been 8th. We'll see if they're in trouble at Monza.
With regards to Ferrari, is it just me that seems to think that their drivers are over anxiously and take turns at taking themselves out of races?
are you saying mclaren didnt have enough sense to look at the weather forecast and set things up for the dry race? they must be incompetent. did they set the car up only for the sprint race? or perhaps for friday practice?peewon wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 16:47They are solidly the 5th best team ahead of Alpine, although they are not a million miles behind so finishing in the points should be straight forward. Its usually not higher than 7th or 8th, which would've been the case here without Mclaren setup gamble not working and Sainz's incident. This is the nadir of their performance this season and result today flatters them in terms of points but the pace is not really that different from the past few weeks.
is it as depressing for you as it is for me coming in here and watching every single person about to jump off of a cliff? some of the people arent here today because they didnt have enough negativity to throw around with the decent performance aston had today.its kinda sad hahadiffuser wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 21:45Yeah, I'm a AMR fan and the glass is half full. McLaren are faster but finished 17 seconds behind.peewon wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 20:52I think if it was dry throughout it would've been clearer. Canada was pre-upgrades so completely different situation. Yes, their straight line speed, tyre deg and slow corners with traction are weak points but to what extent remains to be seen. Austria they were better than AM despite having lot of straights and slow corners. Here they opted for a high DF setup clearly anticipating weather throughout the weekend. They will be good in Monza I think. Maybe not 2nd best but better than AM unless next round of AM updates make significant improvement.diffuser wrote: ↑30 Jul 2023, 18:25
You don't know that this wasn't McLaren best setup option. It does show that like in Canada, when they feel the need for top speed, they're lacking. When they're at a track where DF is king, they flourish. One more dry lap and Norris would have been 8th. We'll see if they're in trouble at Monza.
With regards to Ferrari, is it just me that seems to think that their drivers are over anxiously and take turns at taking themselves out of races?