"several front wings"organic wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 10:42https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10505585/
Seems that autosport are reporting on this with some degree of certainty & not pulling punches with their selection of language.It is understood earlier this season the FIA ramped up its analysis of various designs and expressed some unease about the construction of several front wings which it suspected could be flexing more than it felt was necessary.
Feeling like this is likely now
If anyone remembers some analysis that was done here (I forget by whom sorry) last season then a few races into 2022 Ferrari's front wing flex decreased a lot too. Could be something that FIA look at at the start of each year?
It was nonsense then, and it's nonsense now.organic wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 12:42Spirit of the rules was already invoked in 2021 Re: flexible bodywork rules when the rear-wing flexibility tests were changed midseason so there is unfortunately already precedent to do this based on the FIA's whimemp wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 12:26That quote from autosport kills me: 'flexing more than it felt was necessary'. It's either flexing within the limits or not, that's why there are limits and tests, they aren't feelings or ideas.organic wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 10:42https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/aston ... /10505585/
Seems that autosport are reporting on this with some degree of certainty & not pulling punches with their selection of language.
Feeling like this is likely now
If anyone remembers some analysis that was done here (I forget by whom sorry) last season then a few races into 2022 Ferrari's front wing flex decreased a lot too. Could be something that FIA look at at the start of each year?
I think you meant this:
Someone posted an image of something that Ferrari was dinged for many years ago. It's either in this thread or the AMR23 technical thread. Perhaps that mode of deflection was present here.RZS10 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 16:31
Don't behead me if the markings aren't perfect, it's good enough though, the behaviour is similar to last year and probably the same on all the other cars.
If this is about wing flex the AM wing must have been doing something crazy for the FIA to clamp down, and that RB wing is already flexing and twisting quite a lot - even long after the supposed intervention.
It would also be a matter of minutes to check for the deflection on the AM wing, assuming one could find footage of different specs.
Motorsport and the other outlets say they've seen the footage, so it's kinda surprising they have not done any visual comparisons.
I posted the 2006 front wing video, where you could see the wing not only flexing down but outward too. So the wing tip moves down perpendicular to the air rushing over it, and it was pulling the upper element away from the nose, but that element clearly had a small rod it could pivot around and also move in/out from.AR3-GP wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 16:38Someone posted an image of something that Ferrari was dinged for many years ago. It's either in this thread or the AMR23 technical thread. Perhaps that mode of deflection was present here.RZS10 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 16:31
Don't behead me if the markings aren't perfect, it's good enough though, the behaviour is similar to last year and probably the same on all the other cars.
If this is about wing flex the AM wing must have been doing something crazy for the FIA to clamp down, and that RB wing is already flexing and twisting quite a lot - even long after the supposed intervention.
It would also be a matter of minutes to check for the deflection on the AM wing, assuming one could find footage of different specs.
Motorsport and the other outlets say they've seen the footage, so it's kinda surprising they have not done any visual comparisons.
Yes, in this case I'm wondering if it's the gap between the flap sections that was opening up, in addition to the drooping.SiLo wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 17:47I posted the 2006 front wing video, where you could see the wing not only flexing down but outward too. So the wing tip moves down perpendicular to the air rushing over it, and it was pulling the upper element away from the nose, but that element clearly had a small rod it could pivot around and also move in/out from.AR3-GP wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 16:38Someone posted an image of something that Ferrari was dinged for many years ago. It's either in this thread or the AMR23 technical thread. Perhaps that mode of deflection was present here.RZS10 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 16:31
Don't behead me if the markings aren't perfect, it's good enough though, the behaviour is similar to last year and probably the same on all the other cars.
If this is about wing flex the AM wing must have been doing something crazy for the FIA to clamp down, and that RB wing is already flexing and twisting quite a lot - even long after the supposed intervention.
It would also be a matter of minutes to check for the deflection on the AM wing, assuming one could find footage of different specs.
Motorsport and the other outlets say they've seen the footage, so it's kinda surprising they have not done any visual comparisons.
I suspect a little bit of everything. They are not in the championship fight, per say. They are fighting Merc but Daimler has a small financial stake in the Aston Martin road car company so they have to be careful. They aren't troubling RB either so no real incentive for RB to be vocal.peewon wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 18:28Whats a bit odd is how quite this whole saga has been (if its true). In previous instances, there has been a lot of public politicking over it in the media between rival teams. I wonder if thats due to AM not being in a championship fight a la Red Bull or something extremely egregious like the Ferrari fuel flow saga that AM doesnt want out there. Simple flexing is not in the latter category. Its there in every team's front wing to some degree. If it is, then its another instance of FIA picking and choosing when to enforce certain rules.
Yep, I remember Alpine saying that all it did was cost them $200K to replace the rear wing that wasn't any slower and in a year where the aero rule were changing completely. The rear wing would be useless after a few races.AR3-GP wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 16:00It was nonsense then, and it's nonsense now.
It does make me curious about how good last year's b-spec car actually was...and how good the 2020 car actually was....Stroll was a lot closer to Vettel and Perez.KimiRai wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 21:02I'll try to support Lance and say that he's not doing that bad a job as stats would initially show, he's had more bad luck than Fernando over the season plus the hand thing, though it's true that can't be an excuse forever. I hope next season he's closer from the start so there's not that big of a disparity and the team can score more points, because while Fernando should lead the team as long as he's there, it wouldn't hurt if Lance had finished more consistently in decent points.
When Fernando tested the 2022 car in the postseason Abu Dhabi tests he said he was positively surprised as his expectations were lower. People originally thought his smile was more about having left Alpine and finally having a Mercedes engine by his side but later his inner cicle confirmed it was the car itself that was better than he had thought. I think he also said he couldn't understand how the team had those results with the car, though it's true he tested the B spec that was much better than the car at the start of the season.
This confirms my suspicions right away...KimiRai wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023, 21:38When Fernando tested the 2022 car in the postseason Abu Dhabi tests he said he was positively surprised as his expectations were lower. People originally thought his smile was more about having left Alpine and finally having a Mercedes engine by his side but later his inner cicle confirmed it was the car itself that was better than he had thought. I think he also said he couldn't understand how the team had those results with the car, though it's true he tested the B spec that was much better than the car at the start of the season.