2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

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Re: 2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

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Mega tight quali.

More impressive max only being 0.013 behind Sainz whilst he’s running a barn door parachute wing Vs a track specific Ferrari wing.

I expect Carlos will be a sitting duck tomorrow behind max.
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Re: 2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

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Sieper wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:13
dialtone wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:06
Sieper wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 16:43


By 9 and 17 seconds I think I heard. Mmh.

They won’t take the pole away.
Aged like mold.
? Sainz got pole and it wasn’t taken away.and rightly so, yes they were to slow in the outlap, but they hindered no one and at least Sainz was in time anyway.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you meant that Ferrari's won't take pole away from Max or something like that :).

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Great quali. Sainz and Russell standouts. Albon could fight for podium with luck based on his race sims :D
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VAMOS!! Ferrari!
Good qualy. Max made some rare errors.
Still think he has the best setup to win tomorrow. His car has better grip.
Leclerc could have been on pole but for errors as well.
Good job by Russel.
Hamilton at sea with his setup, but he is ahead of Alonso. That's his battle.
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Sieper wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:13
dialtone wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:06
Sieper wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 16:43


By 9 and 17 seconds I think I heard. Mmh.

They won’t take the pole away.
Aged like mold.
? Sainz got pole and it wasn’t taken away.and rightly so, yes they were to slow in the outlap, but they hindered no one and at least Sainz was in time anyway.
Rightly so?!
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In a message to the teams, the FIA informs them that unnecessary slow driving is not allowed. This includes in- and outlaps.

The FIA also gives a time of 1.41.0. The time is measured from safety car line 2 to safety car line 1. After qualifying, the FIA will investigate whether drivers complied. So it cannot be ruled out that penalties will follow well after qualifying.
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Re: 2023 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 01 - 03

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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:18
Mega tight quali.

More impressive max only being 0.013 behind Sainz whilst he’s running a barn door parachute wing Vs a track specific Ferrari wing.

I expect Carlos will be a sitting duck tomorrow behind max.
In Ferrari's defense, most of the lap the DRS is open and Ferrari's wing is from last year so while track specific it isn't car specific.

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Wouter wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:22
In a message to the teams, the FIA informs them that unnecessary slow driving is not allowed. This includes in- and outlaps.

The FIA also gives a time of 1.41.0. The time is measured from safety car line 2 to safety car line 1. After qualifying, the FIA will investigate whether drivers complied. So it cannot be ruled out that penalties will follow well after qualifying.
The FIA mentioned "no further action" so they definitely won't have penalties later.
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Unless another teams appeals it.

It seems silly you can have a target time, then ignore it by what… 9 and 17seconds.

Be interesting to see what happened.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:18
Mega tight quali.

More impressive max only being 0.013 behind Sainz whilst he’s running a barn door parachute wing Vs a track specific Ferrari wing.

I expect Carlos will be a sitting duck tomorrow behind max.
The ferraris are moving around in the corners. The redbull is sure footed. Max will pass sainz. And if he has a bad start and loses out to leclerc, he will get it back.
Perez himself can also pull a suprised ans get P2.
Apparently perez is using an old engine. But not an excuse.
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Wouter wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:22
Sieper wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:13
dialtone wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:06


Aged like mold.
? Sainz got pole and it wasn’t taken away.and rightly so, yes they were to slow in the outlap, but they hindered no one and at least Sainz was in time anyway.
Rightly so?!
.
In a message to the teams, the FIA informs them that unnecessary slow driving is not allowed. This includes in- and outlaps.

The FIA also gives a time of 1.41.0. The time is measured from safety car line 2 to safety car line 1. After qualifying, the FIA will investigate whether drivers complied. So it cannot be ruled out that penalties will follow well after qualifying.
https://i.imgur.com/0VtMadT.png
This rule was put in place to not get a whole field crawling to the line and several guys missing the flag, or overtaking through the bunch. That did not happen. Ferrari was cheeky/stupid there, but since the scenario that needed to be prevented did not occur they let it slide.

Ferrari got the pole on merit, so for me it is okay.

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Wouter wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:22
Sieper wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:13
dialtone wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:06


Aged like mold.
? Sainz got pole and it wasn’t taken away.and rightly so, yes they were to slow in the outlap, but they hindered no one and at least Sainz was in time anyway.
Rightly so?!
.
In a message to the teams, the FIA informs them that unnecessary slow driving is not allowed. This includes in- and outlaps.

The FIA also gives a time of 1.41.0. The time is measured from safety car line 2 to safety car line 1. After qualifying, the FIA will investigate whether drivers complied. So it cannot be ruled out that penalties will follow well after qualifying.
https://i.imgur.com/0VtMadT.png
Would have been a ridiculous penalty. Leclerc had to let by 5 cars that lap and was sitting behind an Alpine going super slow in the lesmos, while also letting by another car.

Do stewards or race director prefer Ferrari to impede fast laps to speed up an inlap that furthermore cause no issues for anyone whatsoever.

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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:25
Unless another teams appeals it.

It seems silly you can have a target time, then ignore it by what… 9 and 17seconds.

Be interesting to see what happened.
Ferrari came out offset from other cars in Q1, while others were on their fast lap Ferrari just came out. They had a nice free lap but in their cooldown lap they had to let by all the other cars on fast laps. LEC for example had to let by 3-4 cars in the first half of the lap starting with Bottas in T3. How are you supposed to hit your max time when you literally have to crawl to an halt when blue flags are shown to let by a fast lap?

Rule shouldn't be applied to inlaps, was a dumb idea to have that be on cooldowns or inlaps.

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dialtone wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:31
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:25
Unless another teams appeals it.

It seems silly you can have a target time, then ignore it by what… 9 and 17seconds.

Be interesting to see what happened.
Ferrari came out offset from other cars in Q1, while others were on their fast lap Ferrari just came out. They had a nice free lap but in their cooldown lap they had to let by all the other cars on fast laps. LEC for example had to let by 3-4 cars in the first half of the lap starting with Bottas in T3. How are you supposed to hit your max time when you literally have to crawl to an halt when blue flags are shown to let by a fast lap?

Rule shouldn't be applied to inlaps, was a dumb idea to have that be on cooldowns or inlaps.
Well, we do need this rule as that halve the field missing the flag, or people slamming through the queue that happened in previous years was just horrible to see. You want a qualy like this one.

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dialtone wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:31
Rule shouldn't be applied to inlaps, was a dumb idea to have that be on cooldowns or inlaps.
How have you come to this conclusion. The rule is in place for this exact reason, in addition to excessive slowing on warmup laps.

Stop driving slow! Simple. The rule is the same for everyone.
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ringo wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:25
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Sep 2023, 17:18
Mega tight quali.

More impressive max only being 0.013 behind Sainz whilst he’s running a barn door parachute wing Vs a track specific Ferrari wing.

I expect Carlos will be a sitting duck tomorrow behind max.
The ferraris are moving around in the corners. The redbull is sure footed. Max will pass sainz. And if he has a bad start and loses out to leclerc, he will get it back.
Perez himself can also pull a suprised ans get P2.
Apparently perez is using an old engine. But not an excuse.
Perez will win by 20s ahead of max who's 20s ahead of ferraris. That's how much better RB is but ferrari drivers doing miracles.