2023 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 15 -17

[Cs98]

The yuki vs perez and perez vs ham in spa doesnt compute. Perez is now in hamilton position and yet people blame yuki.

It computes perfectly. Perez left space on the inside and Yuki didn't. Maybe your computer has a malfunction.

[SiLo]

Perez sending it up the inside is not the same as BEING alongside and deserving space.

[Cs98]

Perez sending it up the inside is not the same as BEING alongside and deserving space.

He had part of his car alongside for a good 2 seconds before reaching the apex of the corner. He was in control of the car and wasn't carrying excessive speed. Yuki simply turned in and afforded him no space on the apex, as Perez is entitled to per the rules.

[SiLo]

Perez sending it up the inside is not the same as BEING alongside and deserving space.

He had part of his car alongside for a good 2 seconds before reaching the apex of the corner. He was in control of the car and wasn't carrying excessive speed. Yuki simply turned in and afforded him no space on the apex, as Perez is entitled to per the rules.

I thought the rules were that you need a significant amount? which is more than perez had?

Looking at the video, hes almost entirely behind tsunoda until the braking point. But i will happily concede that Tsunoda does come across to the apex. Thanks for having my check it again to correct my understanding.

[Cs98]

Perez sending it up the inside is not the same as BEING alongside and deserving space.

He had part of his car alongside for a good 2 seconds before reaching the apex of the corner. He was in control of the car and wasn't carrying excessive speed. Yuki simply turned in and afforded him no space on the apex, as Perez is entitled to per the rules.

I thought the rules were that you need a significant amount? which is more than perez had?

No, it's not more than Perez had, this is specifically adressed in the FIA driving guidelines. "When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner."

Perez definitely had a "significant portion" of his car alongside by the apex of the corner. In fact, he had a "significant portion" of his car alongside long before reaching the apex of the corner. At least a whole second before, but probably more like two.

[SiLo]

He had part of his car alongside for a good 2 seconds before reaching the apex of the corner. He was in control of the car and wasn't carrying excessive speed. Yuki simply turned in and afforded him no space on the apex, as Perez is entitled to per the rules.

I thought the rules were that you need a significant amount? which is more than perez had?

No, it's not more than Perez had, this is specifically adressed in the FIA driving guidelines. "When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner."

Perez definitely had a "significant portion" of his car alongside by the apex of the corner. In fact, he had a "significant portion" of his car alongside long before reaching the apex of the corner. At least a whole second before, but probably more like two.

I edited my post to reflect that.

[Matt2725]

Got to say that is pretty saddening for Lewis. Genuinely do feel for him a bit on that one.

Guess the video confirms the ‘Twitter Conspiracies’ as fact then.

Not at all. There's a picture floating around from above, and you can clearly see the toothpaste Petronas green firesuits of the team in there, along with the usual white shirts.
There were elements of the team at the podium.

[chrisc90]

Got to say that is pretty saddening for Lewis. Genuinely do feel for him a bit on that one.

Guess the video confirms the ‘Twitter Conspiracies’ as fact then.

Not at all. There's a picture floating around from above, and you can clearly see the toothpaste Petronas green firesuits of the team in there, along with the usual white shirts.
There were elements of the team at the podium.

You got the pic?

[Matt2725]

Got to say that is pretty saddening for Lewis. Genuinely do feel for him a bit on that one.

Guess the video confirms the ‘Twitter Conspiracies’ as fact then.

Not at all. There's a picture floating around from above, and you can clearly see the toothpaste Petronas green firesuits of the team in there, along with the usual white shirts.
There were elements of the team at the podium.

You got the pic?

Saw it on this twitter post.

I noted the green overall guys at the rear and the white shirts dotted around.

https://twitter.com/ChristOnABike0/stat ... 9918061778

[Just_a_fan]

Not at all. There's a picture floating around from above, and you can clearly see the toothpaste Petronas green firesuits of the team in there, along with the usual white shirts.
There were elements of the team at the podium.

You got the pic?

Saw it on this twitter post.

I noted the green overall guys at the rear and the white shirts dotted around.

https://twitter.com/ChristOnABike0/stat ... 9918061778

Wow, I feel sorry for Carlos - there are more Merc guys than Ferrari guys. Ferrari obviously hate Carlos. Poor Carlos!

[dans79]

Merc podium was covered here.

[TFSA]

The yuki vs perez and perez vs ham in spa doesnt compute. Perez is now in hamilton position and yet people blame yuki.

This is the exact moment of collision in the two examples you're comparing.



Perez-Ham happened after the corner, and Hamilton had plenty of chance to back out of what was obviously a compromised overtaking attempt. He's got plenty of space to the right.

Meanwhile there was no way for Perez to back out once Tsunoda cut across the track. He can't go anywhere, and he can't brake out of that situation either since they're both braking and the wheels gets interlocked, and they collide in the apex itself.

[cplchanb]

The yuki vs perez and perez vs ham in spa doesnt compute. Perez is now in hamilton position and yet people blame yuki.

This is the exact moment of collision in the two examples you're comparing.

Perez-Ham happened after the corner, and Hamilton had plenty of chance to back out of what was obviously a compromised overtaking attempt. He's got plenty of space to the right.

Meanwhile there was no way for Perez to back out once Tsunoda cut across the track. He can't go anywhere, and he can't brake out of that situation either since they're both braking and the wheels gets interlocked, and they collide in the apex itself.

perez put himself into that position knowing it was a tight corner with no room. he knows that cars these days have massive blindspots and is difficult to track behind the halo and wide sidepods. he essentially forced yuki to decide to either let him through or crash. it was a desperate lunge that was a hero or zero move. he was saved by the lap 1 leniency norm. had it been any other lap he wouldve been judged to be predominately at fault.

[astralx]

Who said otherwise, just didn't have enough to make the pass and that's really all that matters. Russell gifted him the podium in the end but his poor qualifying cost him a shot at the win.

yes, he didnt had enough, thats true, to pass you need on this track much bigger delta( 1,5s or even more) or a gift....

Not 1,5, a bit less. Unless the frontrunner is determined to keep you at bay (which ofcourse all 3 in front of Hamilton would have been in that phase of the race).

yes, it could be less, it is a moving target, but not 0,5s

[search]

perez put himself into that position knowing it was a tight corner with no room. he knows that cars these days have massive blindspots and is difficult to track behind the halo and wide sidepods. he essentially forced yuki to decide to either let him through or crash. it was a desperate lunge that was a hero or zero move. he was saved by the lap 1 leniency norm. had it been any other lap he wouldve been judged to be predominately at fault.

I agree, yeah. Perez also was on cold, hard tyres at the point, with no grip at all.

On that picture above, Lawson also didn't give anyone space, by the way, but was trying to pass the car ahead on the outside - that's why he is off the racing line.