2023 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 20 - 22

[grubschumi13]

Yeah I have seen this many times and how he talks about Hamilton he's made digs at him. Also doesn't look in Hamilton's direction if they're in the podium room. Strikes me as the guy that shows loyalty to a friend(Verstappen) by attacking said friends enemy. Just an observation not trying to stir --- on the forum honestly. I like all three drivers btw

Such bitter thinking. Is no one allowed to race and defend against Hamilton without it being an issue of toxicity. Norris wanted 2nd place and showed character defending against a faster car. All the drivers on track have ambition to win they are not obligated to let Lewis through or be called the R word.

Norris even called on his team to check if Max went over the line.

No you didn’t get the point mate!

We like racing and defending! Just defend the same way you do when racing Hamilton! Both Norris and Leclerc just leave the inside wide open for Verstapen to go by as if it’s team orders!

Leclerc was racing Perez at the end like crazy yet 20 laps earlier he didn’t even look on the inside when Verstapen came by, although he had much better tires!

This has happened way too many times now for it not to be pointed out by everyone…

You cannot defend the same way considering they overtook at different times, different corners and under different conditions. You do not know what strategy they were thinking.

It is negative people just trying to make a beef out of nothing. Soon you will say Max or any other driver are winning races because they want to stop Hamilton from winning more races.


Let them battle on track without the threat or being cancelled.

[Wouter]

Great race! Lewis was very quick! Sorry for Lando, he deserved a higher place.
Yuki on the M-H-M-S is no less than 38 seconds faster than Ricciardo on the M-H-M.
So actually 63 seconds faster if you add a pit stop for Ricciardo!
Max his 50th victory! Amazing.

[chrisc90]

I don’t think there’s any ill air between Lewis and other drivers. They talk amongst themselves.

It’s like the school playground, You always talk to the people you are always with and around. If your the ‘outsider’. People don’t tend to immediately go towards them when the person they are always with is there.

I don’t think Lewis spends his time with others outside of F1 in whatever hobbies they have.

If you keep yourself to yourself - then it always is harder to ‘fit in’ with groups who are always together.

Either way - I see nothing wrong really.

Was a interesting race - Max out of position and nursing problems, lando having rubbish tyre options. Ferrari through the usual Ferrari strategy.

Be interesting to see how this Merc upgrade looks in future races that are smoother and have less downforce. Merc we’re pretty speedy today.

[AMG.Tzan]

I originally thought Norris let him go because he was planning to not stop again. But once it was clear he was two stopping it made no sense not to fight harder.

Probably because ahead of the race they discuss scenarios. And Norris has seen verstappen's pace in the sprint: apart from max's recharge lap, his slowest lap was faster than Lando's quickest lap by almost a tenth. There was a 4 tenth gap in clear air.

In meetings they'll have gone over what Lando's real battle is if max comes through the traffic and is hounding them with 30+ laps: should he burn tyres or save them to fight against the driver who in the sprint Norris looked to have similar pace to?

They have to pick their battles. Every fight you enter you're causing damage to the tyres and potential damage to bodywork

At that point McLaren didn't know max had a big break issue, nor d

Nono, that would make sense, which means it's not the answer. The answer is they are buddies and thus Lando is willing to gift Max his 50th win as he himself sits on.... checks.... 0!

Hahahahahahahahahah how funny you’re mate

[AMG.Tzan]

Such bitter thinking. Is no one allowed to race and defend against Hamilton without it being an issue of toxicity. Norris wanted 2nd place and showed character defending against a faster car. All the drivers on track have ambition to win they are not obligated to let Lewis through or be called the R word.

Norris even called on his team to check if Max went over the line.

No you didn’t get the point mate!

We like racing and defending! Just defend the same way you do when racing Hamilton! Both Norris and Leclerc just leave the inside wide open for Verstapen to go by as if it’s team orders!

Leclerc was racing Perez at the end like crazy yet 20 laps earlier he didn’t even look on the inside when Verstapen came by, although he had much better tires!

This has happened way too many times now for it not to be pointed out by everyone…

I originally thought Norris let him go because he was planning to not stop again. But once it was clear he was two stopping it made no sense not to fight harder.

Exactly this!

He did the same thing at Silverstone! He let Max by and then stayed within 1 second for a handful of laps!

Yet when Hamilton came close he started defending like crazy

Lando had a shot at victory at that point! Can’t see the reason of not defending…

[proteus]

It is a great drive by Max and his car was not fastest today.

Yeah. His car was in the parking lot, but his rocket ship did it's thing and won the race with damaged brakes.

Do not be so bitter. You were selling the same story for 7 years back in the past. Keep your strenght for the win no. 104. I know you will give your best to rub it into our faces.

[GrizzleBoy]

I don’t think there’s any ill air between Lewis and other drivers. They talk amongst themselves.

It’s like the school playground, You always talk to the people you are always with and around. If your the ‘outsider’. People don’t tend to immediately go towards them when the person they are always with is there.

I don’t think Lewis spends his time with others outside of F1 in whatever hobbies they have.

If you keep yourself to yourself - then it always is harder to ‘fit in’ with groups who are always together.

Either way - I see nothing wrong really.

Was a interesting race - Max out of position and nursing problems, lando having rubbish tyre options. Ferrari through the usual Ferrari strategy.

Be interesting to see how this Merc upgrade looks in future races that are smoother and have less downforce. Merc we’re pretty speedy today.

Also be interesting to see how it goes next year given that this year's car is a compromise between the completely wrong car they started 2023 with and whatever changes it was possible to make to it without spending too much money

Also, I demand justice for Liam Lawson. There's no way he'd have been finishing dead last. There's talk kf Danny replacing Sergio, but I think Liam has done more this season to earn a Red Bul drive than Danny has.

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[Spacepace]

The R word? Really? It isn't bitter thinking to observe a dynamic between two people. Even watching the post race podium room now Verstappen and Norris don't try to engage with Hamilton in conversation, it's awkward. I'm making the observation that they don't like Hamilton. When did I bring up race?

The only observable dynamic here is the insistence of Hamilton fans to make him out to be a victim with confirmation bias. Lando and Charles defended reasonably but no more. I recall earlier in the race Leclerc pulled a super late defensive move on Verstappen on the back straight, did you complain about that?

Read my comments again. I've only commented on Norris. I believe he doesn't like Hamilton. Neither does Verstappen. Norris is a loyal friend to Verstappen. I've seen it on track but also by his comments off track. How Norris interacts with Hamilton in a post race as well. Your not even arguing my point. You're implying I am trying to turn Hamilton into a victim.

I would even say most drivers aren't friends with Hamilton as he is hard to relate to due to him being older and hanging around Hollywood types. Norris and Verstappen really don't like him though. I understand why Verstappen sees Hamilton as a foe but I can't see Norris seeing him like that other than his close relationship with Verstappen

[proteus]

No you didn’t get the point mate!

We like racing and defending! Just defend the same way you do when racing Hamilton! Both Norris and Leclerc just leave the inside wide open for Verstapen to go by as if it’s team orders!

Leclerc was racing Perez at the end like crazy yet 20 laps earlier he didn’t even look on the inside when Verstapen came by, although he had much better tires!

This has happened way too many times now for it not to be pointed out by everyone…

I originally thought Norris let him go because he was planning to not stop again. But once it was clear he was two stopping it made no sense not to fight harder.

Exactly this!

He did the same thing at Silverstone! He let Max by and then stayed within 1 second for a handful of laps!

Yet when Hamilton came close he started defending like crazy

Lando had a shot at victory at that point! Can’t see the reason of not defending…

RedBull - much faster and Mercedes right behind.

Mercedes faster, but noone behind close and fast enough.

No need to be a rocket scientist to understand this.

[Spacepace]

Such bitter thinking. Is no one allowed to race and defend against Hamilton without it being an issue of toxicity. Norris wanted 2nd place and showed character defending against a faster car. All the drivers on track have ambition to win they are not obligated to let Lewis through or be called the R word.

Norris even called on his team to check if Max went over the line.

The R word? Really? It isn't bitter thinking to observe a dynamic between two people. Even watching the post race podium room now Verstappen and Norris don't try to engage with Hamilton in conversation, it's awkward. I'm making the observation that they don't like Hamilton. When did I bring up race?

As far as i have seen Lewis is practically nowhere with relations to other drivers. He had a bit of bromance with Vettel when the latter decided to get onboard the PC and "save the enviroment" train, but otherwise you can rarely see Lewis to mingle with other drivers. So i am really not surprised they are not very interested in Lewis either.

Agreed but as I see it most drivers could take him or leave him. He's a bit of a loner.

Verstappen sees Hamilton as an enemy for obvious reasons but I also see that in Norris as well. I can only equate that to him being a very loyal friend of Verstappen

[SSScoffee]

I also agree with Lando being more agressive vs HAM, I have noticed it on other occasions aswell.

[GrizzleBoy]

The R word? Really? It isn't bitter thinking to observe a dynamic between two people. Even watching the post race podium room now Verstappen and Norris don't try to engage with Hamilton in conversation, it's awkward. I'm making the observation that they don't like Hamilton. When did I bring up race?

The only observable dynamic here is the insistence of Hamilton fans to make him out to be a victim with confirmation bias. Lando and Charles defended reasonably but no more. I recall earlier in the race Leclerc pulled a super late defensive move on Verstappen on the back straight, did you complain about that?

Read my comments again. I've only commented on Norris. I believe he doesn't like Hamilton. Neither does Verstappen. Norris is a loyal friend to Verstappen. I've seen it on track but also by his comments off track. How Norris interacts with Hamilton in a post race as well. Your not even arguing my point. You're implying I am trying to turn Hamilton into a victim.

I would even say most drivers aren't friends with Hamilton as he is hard to relate to due to him being older and hanging around Hollywood types. Hamilton and Verstappen really don't like him though. I understand why Verstappen sees Hamilton as a foe but I can't see Norris seeing him like that other than his close relationship with Verstappen

Lando showed his disdain for Lewis when he for some reason decided to be very disrespectful when Lewis won his 7th title and decided to say in post race interviews that Lewis didn't really do anything special and that anyone could do it in his car.

I didn't understand where that came from until it emerged how close he was to Max in 2021 on and off track.

You could never imagine Lando saying anything like that about Max or Carlos for example, despite Max now driving in the most dominant car/team package Lando would've seen in his lifetime. There's clearly bias in his view of one over the other, for whatever reason.

[AR3-GP]

I also agree with Lando being more agressive vs HAM, I have noticed it on other occasions aswell.

Mclaren predict their race is with Mercedes, not RB. It's been that way all year.

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I also agree with Lando being more agressive vs HAM, I have noticed it on other occasions aswell.

Mclaren predict their race is with Mercedes, not RB. It's been that way all year.

Hmm I think there are examples of Norris racing Hamilton particularly hard in the past (2020, 2021) as well. I think it's just a battle he always takes.

In this case his lesser defence against Max compared to a more robust/to the limit defence against Hamilton made sense, but precedent suggests ham also gets the more aggressive side of Norris more than others