2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

F1analisitecnica weighing in on the hot topic: https://www-funoanalisitecnica-com.tran ... r_pto=wapp

I made a comment in the testing thread on the subject, but this was the important part of this article:

The set-up was similar to the one used during the usual race phases.

In other words, don't expect to see a significant difference in PU under average race conditions next week.

The writer said that Ferrari does have access to higher modes which are not used during the race simulation because these higher modes are only used for overtaking and qualifying since they are not sustainable for multiple laps of race conditions:

On the other hand, during aGrand Prix you can't keep such a high pace for 15 laps, so testing a scenario at maximum power would not provide great advantages.

Receiving the order to push and not manage the tires to understand the consumption of the SF-24 compounds does not mean being able to have maximum power on the internal combustion engine and hybrid system for the entire Run .

[bagajohny]

F1analisitecnica weighing in on the hot topic: https://www-funoanalisitecnica-com.tran ... r_pto=wapp

I made a comment in the testing thread on the subject, but this was the important part of this article:

The set-up was similar to the one used during the usual race phases.

In other words, don't expect to see a significant difference in PU under average race conditions next week.

The writer said that Ferrari does have access to higher modes which are not used during the race simulation because these higher modes are only used for overtaking and qualifying since they are not sustainable for multiple laps of race conditions:

On the other hand, during aGrand Prix you can't keep such a high pace for 15 laps, so testing a scenario at maximum power would not provide great advantages.

Receiving the order to push and not manage the tires to understand the consumption of the SF-24 compounds does not mean being able to have maximum power on the internal combustion engine and hybrid system for the entire Run .

That’s what I was thinking. Ferrari didn’t sandbag as much as other teams. So other teams might have a very good idea of Ferrari’s pace.

I just hope they find useful information from this collected data and quickly develop the car to challenge redbull this season.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Ferrari don't have the luxury of sandbagging. Imagine they sandbagged in testing only to discover that their progress wrt tire wear does not materialise once the car is pushed in conditions closer to those in actual races.

[denyall]

The main point of sandbags was to avoid regulation tweaks that nerf your car. I think Ferrari might be a little sensitive to this since they have been the most affected by FIA rules changes.

[AmateurDriver]

Ferrari don't have the luxury of sandbagging. Imagine they sandbagged in testing only to discover that their progress wrt tire wear does not materialise once the car is pushed in conditions closer to those in actual races.

That is a luxury that almost everyone cannot afford. Ferrari is no peculiar in this respect.

[CouncilorIrissa]

Ferrari don't have the luxury of sandbagging. Imagine they sandbagged in testing only to discover that their progress wrt tire wear does not materialise once the car is pushed in conditions closer to those in actual races.

That is a luxury that almost everyone cannot afford. Ferrari is no peculiar in this respect.

Except they are.
The last years' car had unprecedented discrepancy between quali and race pace. They need to make sure that it's fixed more than any other team on the grid, especially given the changes made to PU mapping aimed at alleviating excessive tire wear.

[AmateurDriver]

Ferrari don't have the luxury of sandbagging. Imagine they sandbagged in testing only to discover that their progress wrt tire wear does not materialise once the car is pushed in conditions closer to those in actual races.

That is a luxury that almost everyone cannot afford. Ferrari is no peculiar in this respect.

Except they are.
The last years' car had unprecedented discrepancy between quali and race pace. They need to make sure that it's fixed more than any other team on the grid, especially given the changes made to PU mapping aimed at alleviating excessive tire wear.

At the end of last year they had excellent tyre wear, in a couple of cases slightly better than Red Bull itself, surely much better than Mercedes. If degradation was due to engine map alone, then they actually suffered no real lack of tyre mastery. Otherwise at the end of the day they got to understand tyres as deeply as anyone else. And being all the cars the result of (at least allegedly) aggressive developmental effort and, say, "gambling", all the teams need to asses whether or not tyre wear can be an issue.

[Xyz22]

Having low tyre wear is completely useless if the pace isn't good.

Leclerc didn't have huge tyre wear in terms of laptimes in Bahrain last year, for example. The issue is that the avg lap time was 0.8s slower than RB. This means that in order to keep the tyres alive, he had to lap way slower.

[bluechris]

Having low tyre wear is completely useless if the pace isn't good.

Leclerc didn't have huge tyre wear in terms of laptimes in Bahrain last year, for example. The issue is that the avg lap time was 0.8s slower than RB. This means that in order to keep the tyres alive, he had to lap way slower.

They were slower because they knew they will kill their tyres from the beginning so they raised the delta.

[Xyz22]

Having low tyre wear is completely useless if the pace isn't good.

Leclerc didn't have huge tyre wear in terms of laptimes in Bahrain last year, for example. The issue is that the avg lap time was 0.8s slower than RB. This means that in order to keep the tyres alive, he had to lap way slower.

They were slower because they knew they will kill their tyres from the beginning so they raised the delta.

Exactly. Therefore, looking only at the difference between the last lap and the first or looking at the pattern in general without considering the overall performance is not very useful.

[AmateurDriver]

Having low tyre wear is completely useless if the pace isn't good.

Leclerc didn't have huge tyre wear in terms of laptimes in Bahrain last year, for example. The issue is that the avg lap time was 0.8s slower than RB. This means that in order to keep the tyres alive, he had to lap way slower.

They were slower because they knew they will kill their tyres from the beginning so they raised the delta.

Exactly. Therefore, looking only at the difference between the last lap and the first or looking at the pattern in general without considering the overall performance is not very useful.

And surely Ferrari is not the only team to need a "stress test" to get an insight into this dependence.

[Xyz22]

They were slower because they knew they will kill their tyres from the beginning so they raised the delta.

Exactly. Therefore, looking only at the difference between the last lap and the first or looking at the pattern in general without considering the overall performance is not very useful.

And surely Ferrari is not the only team to need a "stress test" to get an insight into this dependence.

Yeah, in fact, i don't believe the others run with a very conservative "overall" engine mode. They run with a conservative ERS setting that limited their final top speed, but not initial acceleration.

Also, maybe Ferrari was able to go through their program with 0 issues therefore they were able to test two different approach in terms of race sim, while McL couldn't due to time lost for reliability issues and other unexpected things (just a theory).

In any event the comparison with the SF 23 is indeed hilarious, 3rd lap done by Charles in race vs 3rd lap in the first stint in testing 24

[AR3-GP]

I see nothing wrong.

[Xyz22]

I see nothing wrong.

I just can't believe how bad that car was.

[deadhead]

If that’s the actual difference it’s hard to believe they did as well as they did last year. Great job on figuring out the problems and addressing them during the season.. I’m sure the car from the last race of the season wouldn’t look as bad vs. the sf24