Christian Horner under Investigation

[Mogster]

Criminal and employment law are quite different.

[bonjon1979]

Has any newspaper gone with the headline Christopher Horney yet?

[denyall]

Calling to <lock the thread> is hilarious. This whole threads purpose is to talk about this specific topic.

[f1jcw]

The 'evidence' is of such a poor quality it's actually laughable
Only thing that's slightly worrying is that the sender had all these pretty specific emailaddresses.
Then again, rather conclusive F1-related email lists aren't too hard to come by on the dark web.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was done by a handy 14yr old with a CH/RB grudge ..

I did see scrolling through on reddit someone mention what if it was a malware attack or something. Send everyone bate to some fake files in a google drive which contain viruses or something if they download them. I don't know how all that stuff works to know if that is even plausible.

Can't see the legitimacy of these pictures, and the fact that it hasn't just been shared out in the internet and small inconsistencies such as different file names and pictures that aren't even from him. Agree with the rest, lock the thread, open it again once the fallout from this has subsided and we hear from legitimate sources what has gone on. It's the decent thing for every party involved.

Agreed

Google would not allow malicious virus to be uploaded to google drive

[djos]

I have seen a false case of sexual harassment. A lady accused her manager of sexual misconduct and the committee in the company did the investigation. The manager was a very soft spoken guy and we were surprised it was against him. As part of the investigation, the committee spoke to the manager and many a team members, including other female members in the team. It so happened, the manager had given a negative rating for in the appraisal after having repeatedly informing her of the lack of performance in their regular 1x1. The team members confirmed that she was a non performer and that team had pestered the manager to take her out as she was a drag for the team. He was to follow the process of managing a non performer, but she jumped the gun and raised a sexual harassment case. The committee and the independent lawyer (as required by labor law), having heard and gathering evidence, found no truth in the accusation.

The strange part is, that lady was let go without any punishment, despite having created a hostile environment for the manager to operate, damaging his reputation and causing mental trauma. If the world wants to treat men and women as equal, the punishment for falsifying and criminal accusations, should be treated equally too. Unfortunately, there was a soft corner and she was off the hook and moved to a different team, instead of firing her. There are other genuine cases too where the men involved got fired, rightly so.

Ouch! That’s a nasty situation.

Mine situation was double strange as

A/ I’d never even met the woman and only ever spoken to her by phone

B/ HR wouldn’t even tell me what “inappropriate behaviour” I’d been accused of before sending me on my forced holiday

Luckily for me, worked as an IT service management specialist in a data centre for large insurance company, and for security reasons all calls were recorded. I assume they went through the phone recordings and used those to clear me. They didn’t even discuss the investigation with me with I found bizarre.

Not a fun experience!

I was wrongly accused by a lady in HR of sexism. I was screening applications for a job hire. I simply told her the few women who applied for the job I had previously interviewed and I wasn't interested in interviewing them again. I was also very familiar with their performance issues. When my boss approached me about it and realized what happened, he wouldn't let me get the HR lady on the phone so we could work out the issue, he kicked me off the interview board and put a woman on it in my place. Funny, the woman who replaced me just asked me who I wanted for the job cause she had no clue. I later found out the lady who accused me of sexism would talk to the admins about how much she despised men.

Ouch! I’ve seen that happen before too, not cool!

[Mogster]

Why would someone fake it? “The Race” saying the email was sent to 150 F1 staff members.

Someone not too impressed with RBR’s “investigation”…?

[astracrazy]

Calling to stop the count (lock the thread) is hilarious. This whole threads purpose is to talk about this specific topic.

Oh dear. How about you stop and have a think for a minute.

It's not uncommon for threads to be locked in such circumstances - on any forum. You've got leaks followed by lawyers threatening legal action against anyone who publishes them. Why do you think so many twitter posts are being deleted?

It would be in the best interest of the forum to lock the thread until its established if they are true or false, then the discussions can resume. It wouldn't be the first time the thread has been locked, <>".

[djos]

can we post this? i'll delete if not

This is fake guys, the middle photo comes from the well-known scandal of a Polish sports journalist

It’s really not hard to fake this sort of stuff, I call BS as the statements from RedBull specifically stated that there was no element of sexual misconduct, only “controlling behaviour”.

[f1jcw]

Ouch! That’s a nasty situation.

Mine situation was double strange as

A/ I’d never even met the woman and only ever spoken to her by phone

B/ HR wouldn’t even tell me what “inappropriate behaviour” I’d been accused of before sending me on my forced holiday

Luckily for me, worked as an IT service management specialist in a data centre for large insurance company, and for security reasons all calls were recorded. I assume they went through the phone recordings and used those to clear me. They didn’t even discuss the investigation with me with I found bizarre.

Not a fun experience!

I was wrongly accused by a lady in HR of sexism. I was screening applications for a job hire. I simply told her the few women who applied for the job I had previously interviewed and I wasn't interested in interviewing them again. I was also very familiar with their performance issues. When my boss approached me about it and realized what happened, he wouldn't let me get the HR lady on the phone so we could work out the issue, he kicked me off the interview board and put a woman on it in my place. Funny, the woman who replaced me just asked me who I wanted for the job cause she had no clue. I later found out the lady who accused me of sexism would talk to the admins about how much she despised men.

Ouch! I’ve seen that happen before too, not cool!

I'm not young, I'm not a leftie, but to be honest, I agree the company against Dren, he shouldn't have said or done what he did. Even if he wasn't meaning to be sexist, he left himself wide open and it could be certainly taken that way.

[Big Tea]

If it did not come from Horner, it would not be on the recipient phone as "from" him. It files received contacts in the appropriate file for the sending phone.
If there is any proof needed it would be there, otherwise it is likely to be fake. If it comes from the correct source, there is no denying it.

[maxxer]

It literally makes no sense.

If said employee was really that aggrieved by the matter, or the outcome of the investigation, there is routes to go down in the UK that will be on your side, such as ACAS or even a tribunal.

Now the problem is, RB HQ will know exactly who was in possession of those images (if they are even real), who the original complainant was. That will limit down who you can realistically ask about who leaked them.

It has certainly blown all chances of the employee getting any sort of 'win' out of this. Certainly cant really go down your tribunal routes and what not.

Stinks of being fake to me, and certainly someone who has a vendetta against Christian and wants him out. If you have a legitimate case, there are routes and paths you go down to get a guilty verdict against that person your complaining about. Tribunal, police, courts etc.


Id urge anyone sharing tweets containing any of the images to think twice, will certainly open you up to CH's lawyers and he will have a lot more money than all of us on here.

Exactly and i dont want this post to show up on my unread posts anymore so either hide it as mods that people have to look for it. There is no real info

[bonjon1979]

Has any newspaper gone with the headline Christian Horney yet?

[djos]

I was wrongly accused by a lady in HR of sexism. I was screening applications for a job hire. I simply told her the few women who applied for the job I had previously interviewed and I wasn't interested in interviewing them again. I was also very familiar with their performance issues. When my boss approached me about it and realized what happened, he wouldn't let me get the HR lady on the phone so we could work out the issue, he kicked me off the interview board and put a woman on it in my place. Funny, the woman who replaced me just asked me who I wanted for the job cause she had no clue. I later found out the lady who accused me of sexism would talk to the admins about how much she despised men.

Ouch! I’ve seen that happen before too, not cool!

I'm not young, I'm not a leftie, but to be honest, I agree the company against Dren, he shouldn't have said or done what he did. Even if he wasn't meaning to be sexist, he left himself wide open and it could be certainly taken that way.

I’m broadly Center left, but the HR woman should have asked why he didn’t want to have a second interview with those women. In the last two roles I hired for, I rejected so the female candidates as not having the flexibility needed to operate as incident managers in an agile environment. They were all used to rigid ITIL environments and couldn’t seem to grasp that a flexible approach to the role was possible.

Our HR system allows us to record all this sort of thing and I’ve never had an issue as a result.

[Richard C]

Calling to stop the count (lock the thread) is hilarious. This whole threads purpose is to talk about this specific topic.

I lurk here on a regular basis and post very infrequently. I tend to agree that I see no reason to lock the thread as long as it remains on topic and doesn't run afoul of forum rules. The topic is polarizing as potential negative outcomes might conflict (or not) with forum participant allegiances which can result in strong opinions and disagreements. But I think what is happening, potential outcomes and implications of those outcomes are on topic and newsworthy. I would hate to see it locked while the situation is still dynamic.

Richard

[chrisc90]

Calling to stop the count (lock the thread) is hilarious. This whole threads purpose is to talk about this specific topic.

I lurk here on a regular basis and post very infrequently. I tend to agree that I see no reason to lock the thread as long as it remains on topic and doesn't run afoul of forum rules. The topic is polarizing as potential negative outcomes might conflict (or not) with forum participant allegiances which can result in strong opinions and disagreements. But I think what is happening, potential outcomes and implications of those outcomes are on topic and newsworthy. I would hate to see it locked while the situation is still dynamic.

Richard

I agree should be there to discuss, but the greater problem is the nature of which some people comment. Libel, slander and defamation are probably VERY borderline here. Don't forget you have journalists getting emails off lawyers asking to remove content, not to post anything etc. There is nothing at all stopping those people from coming after forum owners, or even posters about their comments or sharing the content. Those people could quite easily bankrupt sites like this or even go after people who are posting. There are comments about a person who's a multi-millionaire working for multi-billion pound companies. Spending a few quid on lawyers wont trouble them to come after people.

The whole topic is no longer a little playground joke, its massively serious now and across a worldwide platform being discussed worldwide. Actually quite surprised there has been no comment from Steven on this matter and the thread about what can/cannot be discussed, if at all, to avoid dragging the forum into legal battles.