Somewhere I read speculations that Ferrari plans to divide the big upgrade in two, the first one in Suzuka with new floor and sidepods inlets I think and more changes on sidepods for Imola.f1316 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:14The last two races of 2006 still haunt me - Suzuka was in the bag, fastest car by a mile in Brazil, somehow we gave away the championship. Would have been the perfect send off for Michael and so strange that there was unreliability twice in a row in that era.
Anyway, for 2024, motorsport still maintain Ferrari are trying to fast track the full Imola upgrade:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... /10593364/
“A major upgrade has been planned for the Imola round in May with only a small aerodynamic development to be introduced for the next race at Suzuka, but the Scuderia is trying to bring it all sooner, potentially as early as the Japanese Grand Prix.”
I have a nasty feeling Red Bull will bring something significant so it would be a great sign of Fred’s new regime if they could pull something like this off.
That would be surprising considering that Vasseur just recently said no major changes planned for Suzuka.FDD wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 14:28Somewhere I read speculations that Ferrari plans to divide the big upgrade in two, the first one in Suzuka with new floor and sidepods inlets I think and more changes on sidepods for Imola.f1316 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:14The last two races of 2006 still haunt me - Suzuka was in the bag, fastest car by a mile in Brazil, somehow we gave away the championship. Would have been the perfect send off for Michael and so strange that there was unreliability twice in a row in that era.
Anyway, for 2024, motorsport still maintain Ferrari are trying to fast track the full Imola upgrade:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... /10593364/
“A major upgrade has been planned for the Imola round in May with only a small aerodynamic development to be introduced for the next race at Suzuka, but the Scuderia is trying to bring it all sooner, potentially as early as the Japanese Grand Prix.”
I have a nasty feeling Red Bull will bring something significant so it would be a great sign of Fred’s new regime if they could pull something like this off.
According to speculations they read the car enough to know where it needs improvements.
Also there where rumors that even before the opening race they already have some upgrades in the pipeline but they wait for results from the track to confirm the correlation CFD/tunnel simulations vs track.
If you haven't already, I recommend Suzuka 2000... what a race!CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:38As someone who started watching F1 in 2004, I've come to dread this circuit. By far my least favourite weekend of the year. I would unironically rather watch Valencia. Or Abu Dhabi.
It requires three things from the car: good tyre wear, good front end and lots of power.
Since 2005, Ferrari have never had even 2 of those on this circuit, let alone 3.
The best and most important race in motorsport history.MTL79 wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 18:30If you haven't already, I recommend Suzuka 2000... what a race!CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:38As someone who started watching F1 in 2004, I've come to dread this circuit. By far my least favourite weekend of the year. I would unironically rather watch Valencia. Or Abu Dhabi.
It requires three things from the car: good tyre wear, good front end and lots of power.
Since 2005, Ferrari have never had even 2 of those on this circuit, let alone 3.
Those inlaps before the final stint were magic from Micheal, even with some traffic. Mika just couldn't keep up in the damp conditions.MTL79 wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 18:30If you haven't already, I recommend Suzuka 2000... what a race!CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:38As someone who started watching F1 in 2004, I've come to dread this circuit. By far my least favourite weekend of the year. I would unironically rather watch Valencia. Or Abu Dhabi.
It requires three things from the car: good tyre wear, good front end and lots of power.
Since 2005, Ferrari have never had even 2 of those on this circuit, let alone 3.
I couldn't believe how the tide turned when it started to drizzle!!scuderiabrandon wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 18:45Those inlaps before the final stint were magic from Micheal, even with some traffic. Mika just couldn't keep up in the damp conditions.MTL79 wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 18:30If you haven't already, I recommend Suzuka 2000... what a race!CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:38As someone who started watching F1 in 2004, I've come to dread this circuit. By far my least favourite weekend of the year. I would unironically rather watch Valencia. Or Abu Dhabi.
It requires three things from the car: good tyre wear, good front end and lots of power.
Since 2005, Ferrari have never had even 2 of those on this circuit, let alone 3.
I was about to write that those who were old enough to witness Michael's first title probably feel a bit different about this circuit.MTL79 wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 18:30If you haven't already, I recommend Suzuka 2000... what a race!CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:38As someone who started watching F1 in 2004, I've come to dread this circuit. By far my least favourite weekend of the year. I would unironically rather watch Valencia. Or Abu Dhabi.
It requires three things from the car: good tyre wear, good front end and lots of power.
Since 2005, Ferrari have never had even 2 of those on this circuit, let alone 3.
CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:38As someone who started watching F1 in 2004, I've come to dread this circuit. By far my least favourite weekend of the year.
For Ferrari or Benetton? Didn't Hill win the Japanese Grand Prix in '94.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 20:32I was about to write that those who were old enough to witness Michael's first title probably feel a bit different about this circuit.
For Ferrari, obviously. We're in the team threadJordanMugen wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 21:15CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 19:38As someone who started watching F1 in 2004, I've come to dread this circuit. By far my least favourite weekend of the year.
Try Suzuka 2000 -- great times for Tifosi!
For Ferrari or Benetton? Didn't Hill win the Japanese Grand Prix in '94.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 20:32I was about to write that those who were old enough to witness Michael's first title probably feel a bit different about this circuit.
That’s what I said to be fairSevach wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 04:57It was also the fastest car by a mile in Brazil, Felipe proved as much.
The X factor is, of course, what Red Bull themselves bring. I think the rumour was always that they might bring something big to Suzuka. Let’s see, I guess - hopefully it’s all lies!ringo wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 03:39Will the upgrades work even if they come early.
Ferrari tend to do a lot of little upgrades and only a few of them are mature enough to make a noticeable difference.
Fred's approach is different than the past team principals however.
A floor upgrade sounds exciting and it may be enough to grab poles and give rebdbull a little more work to do. Sounds like a couple tenths given the floor has the biggest impact.
That seems way too different from Vasseur's words on minor Suzuka upgrades. I'd only expect a floor edge and/or minor tweaks in diffuser and definitely nothing on sidepods before Imola. Imola makes the most sense for a big upgrade for Ferrari - it's Italy so they can maximise development and stretch manufacture time, it's a decent mix of various corners, it's a known track for the team and by then only 1/4 of the races have passed - so 3/4 of points to play for. Right now it's 7 weekends away, so plenty of lead time and it makes sense new parts were signed off only a few days ago, as formu1a.uno team reports.FDD wrote: ↑01 Apr 2024, 14:28Somewhere I read speculations that Ferrari plans to divide the big upgrade in two, the first one in Suzuka with new floor and sidepods inlets I think and more changes on sidepods for Imola.
According to speculations they read the car enough to know where it needs improvements.
Also there where rumors that even before the opening race they already have some upgrades in the pipeline but they wait for results from the track to confirm the correlation CFD/tunnel simulations vs track.
RB will bring more important updates to Japan than Ferrari.ringo wrote: ↑02 Apr 2024, 03:39Will the upgrades work even if they come early.
Ferrari tend to do a lot of little upgrades and only a few of them are mature enough to make a noticeable difference.
Fred's approach is different than the past team principals however.
A floor upgrade sounds exciting and it may be enough to grab poles and give rebdbull a little more work to do. Sounds like a couple tenths given the floor has the biggest impact.