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Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...

Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?

I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.

Not if he doesn't join before 2027.

They send him the machine data and he will sort everything out even if he isn't there, I've already been picking up on it for 100 posts now. Do you remember the amr22B taken to the track in Barcelona? Here wake up people

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This is like F1 twitter in a comment. Waive the magic Newey wand and you win immediately. That's not how this sport works, you will learn, in time.

Yes, in fact, look at the history of F1 and see how long it took him to win in the teams he went to. Only Redbull took 4 years because she had just entered F1, let alone Ferrari which has enormous capacity. But please, you will learn what, accept the truth

So let's ignore the most recent example which clearly disproves your reductionist theory The 4 year timeline at RB is a more realistic scenario than what we saw in the 90s. The sport has evolved massively in scale and complexity, it's more computing now than drawing, there are no one man shops anymore. Heck, Newey was even being phased out of RBR's F1 operation towards the hypercar project. That wouldn't happen if he was their sole guarantor of success. Not to mention the practical obstacle that is gardening leave, there's no way he gets to work on someone else's 2025 car even if he leaves today. He could be a force in 2026 and beyond, no sooner.

Redbull was a new team, but do you even know who Ferrari is? The teams currently with the most capacity are Mercedes and Ferrari. Already 2025 belongs to Ferrari

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I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.

Here is a reality check - newey will not be able to work on 2025 or 2026 car unless they magically come up with a way to get rid of gardening leave.

Maybe not the 2025 car but why not the 2026 car? Gardening leave doesn't last for years, it lasts for months. If he leaves in, say, June this year even at worst he's got 12 months off which means he's at the new factory in June 2025 helping with the 2026 car.

Because unfortunately people do not accept the truth and defeat, they do not accept that there will be Ferrari domination. Everything is already set up. I'm a huge Alonso fan but I'm realistic, it's over.

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Has anyone wondered how long his gardening leave would be? 2 years? RBR have been known to be very restrictive with contracts we no loop holes. So maybe 2027 ... He'd be 68...

Nobody find it strange that he announced he's leaving but not where he's going? So maybe BS or maybe retirement?

I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.

Here is a reality check - newey will not be able to work on 2025 or 2026 car unless they magically come up with a way to get rid of gardening leave.

There must be a million ways to ignore gardening leave without FIA noticing.

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I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.

Here is a reality check - newey will not be able to work on 2025 or 2026 car unless they magically come up with a way to get rid of gardening leave.

Maybe not the 2025 car but why not the 2026 car? Gardening leave doesn't last for years, it lasts for months. If he leaves in, say, June this year even at worst he's got 12 months off which means he's at the new factory in June 2025 helping with the 2026 car.

Cause he's under contact until the end of 2026 and we have no idea what his contract looks like but we know what RBR contracts can be like. Not saying it's impossible, just saying it's another hurdle.

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Here is a reality check - newey will not be able to work on 2025 or 2026 car unless they magically come up with a way to get rid of gardening leave.

Maybe not the 2025 car but why not the 2026 car? Gardening leave doesn't last for years, it lasts for months. If he leaves in, say, June this year even at worst he's got 12 months off which means he's at the new factory in June 2025 helping with the 2026 car.

Cause he's under contact until the end of 2026 and we have no idea what his contract looks like but we know what RBR contracts can be like.

He has an official contract until the end of 2025 and will already work at Ferrari before.

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I still read a lot .... in this forum. But wake up guys. If Newey joins Ferrari, Ferrari wins in 2025 and 2026 end of discussion.

Here is a reality check - newey will not be able to work on 2025 or 2026 car unless they magically come up with a way to get rid of gardening leave.

There must be a million ways to ignore gardening leave without FIA noticing.

Exactly, but they are not ready to accept this

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Here is a reality check - newey will not be able to work on 2025 or 2026 car unless they magically come up with a way to get rid of gardening leave.

There must be a million ways to ignore gardening leave without FIA noticing.

Exactly, but they are not ready to accept this

Remember RBR racing when McLaren signed Peter P and Dan Fallow, they had Dan locked up for so long he went back to work for RBR.

All depends on what's in the contract.

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Here is a reality check - newey will not be able to work on 2025 or 2026 car unless they magically come up with a way to get rid of gardening leave.

There must be a million ways to ignore gardening leave without FIA noticing.

Exactly, but they are not ready to accept this

This is not a banana republic.

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There must be a million ways to ignore gardening leave without FIA noticing.

Exactly, but they are not ready to accept this

Remember RBR racing when McLaren signed Peter P and Dan Fallow, they had Dan locked up for so long he went back to work for RBR.

All depends on what's in the contract.

Have you ever asked yourself why the amr22B was already in the factory before the season started? I would start doing it

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Exactly, but they are not ready to accept this

Remember RBR racing when McLaren signed Peter P and Dan Fallow, they had Dan locked up for so long he went back to work for RBR.

All depends on what's in the contract.

Have you ever asked yourself why the amr22B was already in the factory before the season started? I would start doing it

You think that is Newey's leaving cause of the "Horner" thing. That he's the type of person that would break a contract?

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Remember RBR racing when McLaren signed Peter P and Dan Fallow, they had Dan locked up for so long he went back to work for RBR.

All depends on what's in the contract.

Have you ever asked yourself why the amr22B was already in the factory before the season started? I would start doing it

You think that is Newey's leaving cause of the "Horner" thing. That he's the type of person that would break a contract?

I mean I'm not Newey and I don't work at RBR, but in general if I am unhappy with my work environment or my boss I would at least investigate an exit strategy. Who knows what the actual state of the interpersonal relationships are. With good lawyers any contract can be dissolved, depends on how badly people want out.

Personally I don't see Newey working anywhere else until late 2026 at the earliest.

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Have you ever asked yourself why the amr22B was already in the factory before the season started? I would start doing it

You think that is Newey's leaving cause of the "Horner" thing. That he's the type of person that would break a contract?

I mean I'm not Newey and I don't work at RBR, but in general if I am unhappy with my work environment or my boss I would at least investigate an exit strategy. Who knows what the actual state of the interpersonal relationships are. With good lawyers any contract can be dissolved, depends on how badly people want out.

Personally I don't see Newey working anywhere else until late 2026 at the earliest.

Red Bull cannot chain Newey to a desk. All they could do is send it to civil courts and establish a monetary penalty for contract violation, something that rival teams would be more than willing to pay.

If this were an ordinary employee, he/she would not want to earn a reputation for breaking contracts, but it's Newey. The norms in practice are not the same.

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You think that is Newey's leaving cause of the "Horner" thing. That he's the type of person that would break a contract?

I mean I'm not Newey and I don't work at RBR, but in general if I am unhappy with my work environment or my boss I would at least investigate an exit strategy. Who knows what the actual state of the interpersonal relationships are. With good lawyers any contract can be dissolved, depends on how badly people want out.

Personally I don't see Newey working anywhere else until late 2026 at the earliest.

Red Bull cannot chain Newey to a desk. All they could do is send it to civil courts and establish a monetary penalty for contract violation, something that rival teams would be more than willing to pay.

If this were an ordinary employee, he/she would not want to earn a reputation for breaking contracts, but it's Newey. The norms in practice are not the same.

Correct. My belief that he wont work somewhere until 2026 is independent of the fact that I think he could work somewhere else before then; I should have been more clear.

I would be shocked if Red Bull didn't roll out all the red tape they could to delay this as much as possible; after all they did to stop Fallows I can't imagine they'd put up less of a fight for Newey unless they truly think he's not an integral part of the machine. That's why I think it would take so long. Although if any team would be willing to foot the bill for Newey's court costs and buyouts it's AMR/Aramco, where money is seemingly infinite.

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I mean I'm not Newey and I don't work at RBR, but in general if I am unhappy with my work environment or my boss I would at least investigate an exit strategy. Who knows what the actual state of the interpersonal relationships are. With good lawyers any contract can be dissolved, depends on how badly people want out.

Personally I don't see Newey working anywhere else until late 2026 at the earliest.

Red Bull cannot chain Newey to a desk. All they could do is send it to civil courts and establish a monetary penalty for contract violation, something that rival teams would be more than willing to pay.

If this were an ordinary employee, he/she would not want to earn a reputation for breaking contracts, but it's Newey. The norms in practice are not the same.

Correct. My belief that he wont work somewhere until 2026 is independent of the fact that I think he could work somewhere else before then; I should have been more clear.

I would be shocked if Red Bull didn't roll out all the red tape they could to delay this as much as possible; after all they did to stop Fallows I can't imagine they'd put up less of a fight for Newey unless they truly think he's not an integral part of the machine. That's why I think it would take so long. Although if any team would be willing to foot the bill for Newey's court costs and buyouts it's AMR/Aramco, where money is seemingly infinite.

But do you know how much money Ferrari has? I want to see you then when they announce Newey in the next few days if not in the next few hours.