2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[dialtone]

The matter went to the court and Aston had to strike a settlement with Red Bull to release him. Gardening leave was enforceable in his case too.

https://www.wallace.co.uk/articles/wall ... to%20trial.

They settled for earlier leave, how was this proof of enforceability?

They went to the court! You don't go to court for a losing cause.

They didn’t go to court. They settled before the date of the first hearing.

But nobody said the court wouldn’t listen to you, just that they wouldn’t rule in favor of the non compete, at least in my opinion.

[Dunlay]

They settled for earlier leave, how was this proof of enforceability?

They went to the court! You don't go to court for a losing cause.

They didn’t go to court. They settled before the date of the first hearing.

But nobody said the court wouldn’t listen to you, just that they wouldn’t rule in favor of the non compete, at least in my opinion.

Come on dialtone, are we going to do a word play here? The case was filed and listed for a hearing. They reached an agreement before the first hearing itself.

The case was listed for an expedited trial to take place three months later beginning on 24 January 2022.

[dialtone]

Yeah that’s what i wrote. They settled before the first hearing.

I’m sorry, are you reading my replies?

[dialtone]

All of this Newey has to go to gardening leave, comes after Horner said that due to the bike accident the team had to do without him and stepped up as newey also spends time doing other stuff besides f1, going in and out from f1 as Horner said.

And with 2026 being a new rule change... What exactly is he going to take?

To me this non compete doesn't look that strong either way.

[Cs98]

Dietrich Mateschitz had éverything to do with it though. Hebhas build the redbull drinks company to be a commercial succes and the redbull racing team is entirely his doing.

To me it is strange that the yoovidyha’s (onboarded by Horner) are suddenly boss (based on the 51%). It makes it an entirely different team looking at it one way.

Why are the other redbull marketing budget build sports teams not suddenly experiencing the same, Redbull Salzburg and Leipzig football teams? Perhaps as they are not wholly owned?

It is all just very unfortunate, a good and stable team, Dietrich passes away and maybe the construction wasn’t secure enough but the team is now all but.

Completely agreed that Red Bull Racing is vision of DM. Now that he is gone, who should claim the ownership if not Yoovidhya? In all these years, we didn't hear a single soul from GmbH making any contribution to the racibg business. The guy who drove DM's vision and brought to life his envisaged success, is Horner. He built this entire team, infrastructure and fought political battles with FOA/ FOM/Liberty et al to get things done. He also built a strong relationship with Bernie that served Red Bull Racing well. No other person deserves the control of RBR as much as Horner and if Yoovidhya is standing with Horner and backing him, he is just continuing what DM was doing.

Not sure about that, Marko's job description was essentially to drive DMs vision from inside the team, including hiring Horner for the TP role. He never gets any of the credit but he has was essentially the de facto decision maker when DM was alive. It's always a collaborative effort to run a team though. Horner has done a great job but it seems to me he needed to stay grounded and accountable to a higher authority, because what has happened with this scandal would never have been tolerated under DM.

[Cs98]

All of this Newey has to go to gardening leave, comes after Horner said that due to the bike accident the team had to do without him and stepped up as newey also spends time doing other stuff besides f1, going in and out from f1 as Horner said.

And with 2026 being a new rule change... What exactly is he going to take?

To me this non compete doesn't look that strong either way.

Thank you for the expert legal advice.

[Vanja #66]

The amount of auditing that happens in F1 wouldn’t allow this to happen, it’s so difficult to get around anything, they can probably hire him for other series like GT but even they wouldn’t dare let him have influence on F1 until things were legal

FIA admitted enforcing budget caps and other aspects of team workflows is very hard to keep up with. No one can stop teams hiring external consultancies to do some experimental work for future concepts, pay them via non-audited entities and have them meet key personnel for informative meetings privately. Knowledge is knowledge and it's useful even if you have to do it again - but this time you know exactly what to do and you do it once.

[chrisc90]

You don't reach a settlement before court unless you have a risk of losing the case. Happens everywhere, someone's takes someone/company to court, and magically there is a settlement prior to the court case. Wonder why. If there was nothing to worry about, you would let the court case be heard, and you wouldn't be found liable/in breach/ etc of what that person is taking you to court for.

[Cs98]

The amount of auditing that happens in F1 wouldn’t allow this to happen, it’s so difficult to get around anything, they can probably hire him for other series like GT but even they wouldn’t dare let him have influence on F1 until things were legal

FIA admitted enforcing budget caps and other aspects of team workflows is very hard to keep up with. No one can stop teams hiring external consultancies to do some experimental work for future concepts, pay them via non-audited entities and have them meet key personnel for informative meetings privately. Knowledge is knowledge and it's useful even if you have to do it again - but this time you know exactly what to do and you do it once.

In other words, breach of contract that potentially opens him up to legal proceedings and even more controversy, all for the benefit of SF? That doesn't sound like the plan of a man who just (allegedly) quit RB because he was tired of dealing with controversy and scandals. Can't put a price on peace of mind.

[dialtone]

You don't reach a settlement before court unless you have a risk of losing the case. Happens everywhere, someone's takes someone/company to court, and magically there is a settlement prior to the court case. Wonder why. If there was nothing to worry about, you would let the court case be heard, and you wouldn't be found liable/in breach/ etc of what that person is taking you to court for.

Sorry, which side of the settlement are you talking about here?

[chrisc90]

You don't reach a settlement before court unless you have a risk of losing the case. Happens everywhere, someone's takes someone/company to court, and magically there is a settlement prior to the court case. Wonder why. If there was nothing to worry about, you would let the court case be heard, and you wouldn't be found liable/in breach/ etc of what that person is taking you to court for.

Sorry, which side of the settlement are you talking about here?

The one who would take someone to court. Plaintiff/claimant

[dialtone]

You don't reach a settlement before court unless you have a risk of losing the case. Happens everywhere, someone's takes someone/company to court, and magically there is a settlement prior to the court case. Wonder why. If there was nothing to worry about, you would let the court case be heard, and you wouldn't be found liable/in breach/ etc of what that person is taking you to court for.

Sorry, which side of the settlement are you talking about here?

The one who would take someone to court. Plaintiff/claimant

Are you sure you don't want to re read what you wrote thinking about that it works for the other side too?

[chrisc90]

Sorry, which side of the settlement are you talking about here?

The one who would take someone to court. Plaintiff/claimant

Are you sure you don't want to re read what you wrote thinking about that it works for the other side too?

That wouldn't make much sense though? Why would I take somebody to court (where they have done wrong) then offer to pay them a settlement before it reaches court?

You would simply withdraw your case, saving you money.

[dialtone]

The one who would take someone to court. Plaintiff/claimant

Are you sure you don't want to re read what you wrote thinking about that it works for the other side too?

That wouldn't make much sense though? Why would I take somebody to court (where they have done wrong) then offer to pay them a settlement before it reaches court?

You would simply withdraw your case, saving you money.

Settlements make 2 parties agree. If you sue and know you will win, why settle for less? Could it be you aren't sure of winning?

[Dunlay]

Are you sure you don't want to re read what you wrote thinking about that it works for the other side too?

That wouldn't make much sense though? Why would I take somebody to court (where they have done wrong) then offer to pay them a settlement before it reaches court?

You would simply withdraw your case, saving you money.

Settlements make 2 parties agree. If you sue and know you will win, why settle for less? Could it be you aren't sure of winning?

Or it could be that you let go of a guy who is anyway not part of your plan and have the other side "owe you one" for next time as these things go in circle. The other alternative is that there is a paid settlement from other side to get the release.