The upgrades are working, the issue is that they didn't significantly improve quali performance.
The upgrades are working, the issue is that they didn't significantly improve quali performance.
How can we know that?
No, the package was aimed to increase downforce and overall efficiency. For now, it doesn't seem the situation improved that much over one lap.
Leclerc and Sainz still complained about the lack of grip in quali run, which has been the issue since Bahrain. They can't seem to extract the peak performance of the tyres. Formu1a.uno reported the same in their streaming yesterday.
But they had imperfect setup and apparently the car was higher in Q than FP3 which would explain the performance drop. Losing downforce automatically means less heat in the tyres while cornering as a consequence. I don't think we can say anything conclusive about upgrades with the compromise they made in Barcelona. formu1a.uno also reports upgrades brought more performance than expected, doesn't sound like a failed package
I never said it was a failure, i think.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑26 Jun 2024, 09:42But they had imperfect setup and apparently the car was higher in Q than FP3 which would explain the performance drop. Losing downforce automatically means less heat in the tyres while cornering as a consequence. I don't think we can say anything conclusive about upgrades with the compromise they made in Barcelona. formu1a.uno also reports upgrades brought more performance than expected, doesn't sound like a failed package
Binotto would say "we need to understand the car"
initially they said a little bit different thing, unless my translation is completely wrong:
https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-nessuna- ... sf-24-2-1/The new prices that will be introduced in Great Britain are aimed at taking the red car a further step by widening the operating window, making the car more competitive in different layout and temperature conditions.
https://formu1a.uno/it/esclusiva-ferrar ... in-spagna/The plans at Maranello were to introduce the second major package at Silverstone, with the aim of increasing the overall load but also providing a better aerodynamic compromise in the direction of reducing certain problems of the red.
Sorry, I know you didn't say it, but it's often implied here...Xyz22 wrote: ↑26 Jun 2024, 09:55I never said it was a failure, i think.
I'm also expecting the Team to get even more performance out of it in the upcoming races. At the same time i think is going to be quite difficult to fix the issues they have in qualifying this year. Usually these characteristics are fixed with significant modifications to the chassis, which apparently is what Ferrari will do for 2025. Do you think they are going to change the front suspension's layout?
Unclear and opinions vary. However if and when RB/Ferrari bring a flexible front wing at some point and they massively step forward / solve inherent issues then it says a lotSpace-heat wrote: ↑26 Jun 2024, 11:14I haven't been following, but what is the consensus on the flexing front wings that RBR is complaining about? Merc was first, and then I think I read Marko complaining about McL and Ferrari.
I know the FIA has cleared Mcl and Merc. Is the Ferrari wing flexing noticeably in comparison, or has anyone looked? Part of me hopes (irrationally) that the remaining 20% of the Spain upgrade is a flexing front wing that could give two-tenths, similar to the Merc at Monaco (although their improvement could be purely by removing that "vortex-generating" upper element). We saw last year how Aston plummeted from Spain (I think) when they were rumoured to have had to change their flexing wing. Completely without any knowledge or reading, but could this flexing front wing be the reason MCL fixed their slow speed so much? or is this all overblown by RBR and not really a thing?
Yes, that is fair, thanks for the information. Copium levels will stay high until we see some sort of FW upgrade. In the latest FormulaUNO article (https://formu1a.uno/it/ferrari-gli-svil ... -problema/) they discuss that the two upgrades were focused on improving the slow speed, if Ferrari thought a flex FW would solve this then they probably would not be trying to achieve this with the floor (again baseless guessing).organic wrote: ↑26 Jun 2024, 11:19Unclear and opinions vary. However if and when RB/Ferrari bring a flexible front wing at some point and they massively step forward / solve inherent issues then it says a lotSpace-heat wrote: ↑26 Jun 2024, 11:14I haven't been following, but what is the consensus on the flexing front wings that RBR is complaining about? Merc was first, and then I think I read Marko complaining about McL and Ferrari.
I know the FIA has cleared Mcl and Merc. Is the Ferrari wing flexing noticeably in comparison, or has anyone looked? Part of me hopes (irrationally) that the remaining 20% of the Spain upgrade is a flexing front wing that could give two-tenths, similar to the Merc at Monaco (although their improvement could be purely by removing that "vortex-generating" upper element). We saw last year how Aston plummeted from Spain (I think) when they were rumoured to have had to change their flexing wing. Completely without any knowledge or reading, but could this flexing front wing be the reason MCL fixed their slow speed so much? or is this all overblown by RBR and not really a thing?
It's not extremely conservative on its tires compared to the current competition, though. And part of the improvement in tire life we've seen since last year is not just the car, but also simply Leclerc in particularly learning how to get more out of them in terms of how he drives them over a stint.
To add, in the article linked two posts up (https://www.funoanalisitecnica.com/2024 ... blemi.html)Seanspeed wrote: ↑26 Jun 2024, 13:32It's not extremely conservative on its tires compared to the current competition, though. And part of the improvement in tire life we've seen since last year is not just the car, but also simply Leclerc in particularly learning how to get more out of them in terms of how he drives them over a stint.
There's really not any great scope to adjust to a more qualifying-biased setup without compromising the more critical race. If there was, Ferrari would be doing it. They're not dumb.
And worst case is falling backwards to lower than where they'd otherwise finish. Race pace is still king. And poor tire life can completely hobble your strategy options which can hurt results even more. There's a reason we've done a lot better on strategy since sorting the tires out. They go hand in hand.
Ferrari have done quite well to maximize results this season overall. Our only issue right now is simply that the car isn't fast enough.