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[JordanMugen]

Having his hand forced with Norris getting close by luck of the pitstop and garage positions, I think it was a good strategical and tactical choice by Max to push to the limit and over it. He did move under braking in the end, but honestly I don't see him as predominantly at fault. But the penalty was a non-penalty in the end and he got 11p no less.

Norris lost his temper multiple times and failed to prepare his overtake across no less than 3 DRS zones and choosing to complain on the radio instead, I'm not impressed by that. Everyone knows Max races hard and over the limit, you've got to be prepared for that

I think that Verstappen was predominantly at fault, but it's very interesting that your view of Norris being predominantly at fault ("desperate dives") is not uncommon online!

I guess it's just what happens when you have a driver desperate to get past and another driver desperate not to be overtaken -- all usual rules of considerate racing, which are usually very well observed in say historic or club racing, seem to go out the window!

I think it was a good strategical and tactical choice by Max to push to the limit and over it.

To the contrary, could Verstappen have not simply waved the faster Norris through instead of being desperate to win?

Would Verstappen race differently if it was the Fast Ford cup or GLTC Gridlife and he had to go home and fix all this damage on his Fiesta ST or Honda S2000 personally?

Does Verstappen race his personally owned GT3 cars just as hard? GT3 spare parts are quite expensive, but I guess that doesn't bother him or his team -- but surely it does bother the amateur gentleman/lady drivers in the other GT3s?

[Dunlay]

Having his hand forced with Norris getting close by luck of the pitstop and garage positions, I think it was a good strategical and tactical choice by Max to push to the limit and over it. He did move under braking in the end, but honestly I don't see him as predominantly at fault. But the penalty was a non-penalty in the end and he got 11p no less.

Norris lost his temper multiple times and failed to prepare his overtake across no less than 3 DRS zones and choosing to complain on the radio instead, I'm not impressed by that. Everyone knows Max races hard and over the limit, you've got to be prepared for that

In my opinion, it's good that Norris pushed and made a point, even if they had contact. So far, Norris never had this kind of aggressive fight with Max and Max had it a bit easy. Now Max knows that Norris would be willing to risk too. So it would be interesting to see how he reacts next time when are in a similar situation, which I am sure they will. Nico did that with Lewis in 2014 Belgium to make a point after Lewis pushing Nico out of race track far too many times. Max has to respect his oppotent and let it go at at times, or he would lose like he has done so many times. If it's a close championship battle, then Max would lose it. This is the first time for Lando, hopefully he has learnt some lessons. I called out how clean George was in Barcelona when he and Lando fought around for a so many corners on a track that we haven't seen before, respectfully. That's what we need, not mario karts like we saw today.

[trinidefender]

Having his hand forced with Norris getting close by luck of the pitstop and garage positions, I think it was a good strategical and tactical choice by Max to push to the limit and over it. He did move under braking in the end, but honestly I don't see him as predominantly at fault. But the penalty was a non-penalty in the end and he got 11p no less.

Norris lost his temper multiple times and failed to prepare his overtake across no less than 3 DRS zones and choosing to complain on the radio instead, I'm not impressed by that. Everyone knows Max races hard and over the limit, you've got to be prepared for that

The overtake was done here and Max should have given the place back.

People will say it was a divebomb but the fact is this is the sort of driving that Max himself popularised and has become defacto allowed under the current driving regulations.

The stewards were asleep for this and for all the other times that Max was moving under braking.

[AR3-GP]

Having his hand forced with Norris getting close by luck of the pitstop and garage positions, I think it was a good strategical and tactical choice by Max to push to the limit and over it. He did move under braking in the end, but honestly I don't see him as predominantly at fault. But the penalty was a non-penalty in the end and he got 11p no less.

Norris lost his temper multiple times and failed to prepare his overtake across no less than 3 DRS zones and choosing to complain on the radio instead, I'm not impressed by that. Everyone knows Max races hard and over the limit, you've got to be prepared for that

The overtake was done here and Max should have given the place back.

People will say it was a divebomb but the fact is this is the sort of driving that Max himself popularised and has become defacto allowed under the current driving regulations.

Hulkenberg was given a time penalty in the sprint race for the same move so claiming that it is allowed is actually wrong. How do you view the situation now?

[Spacepace]

Having his hand forced with Norris getting close by luck of the pitstop and garage positions, I think it was a good strategical and tactical choice by Max to push to the limit and over it. He did move under braking in the end, but honestly I don't see him as predominantly at fault. But the penalty was a non-penalty in the end and he got 11p no less.

Norris lost his temper multiple times and failed to prepare his overtake across no less than 3 DRS zones and choosing to complain on the radio instead, I'm not impressed by that. Everyone knows Max races hard and over the limit, you've got to be prepared for that

The overtake was done here and Max should have given the place back.

People will say it was a divebomb but the fact is this is the sort of driving that Max himself popularised and has become defacto allowed under the current driving regulations.

Hulkenberg was given a time penalty in the sprint race for the same move so claiming that it is allowed is actually wrong. How do you view the situation now?

Verstappen did this same move at this very race in '19 to overtake Leclerc to win

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The overtake was done here and Max should have given the place back.

People will say it was a divebomb but the fact is this is the sort of driving that Max himself popularised and has become defacto allowed under the current driving regulations.

Hulkenberg was given a time penalty in the sprint race for the same move so claiming that it is allowed is actually wrong. How do you view the situation now?

Verstappen did this same move at this very race in '19 to overtake Leclerc to win

And the rules have changed multiple times since. It's not allowed anymore, but neither is moving under braking

[Spacepace]

Hulkenberg was given a time penalty in the sprint race for the same move so claiming that it is allowed is actually wrong. How do you view the situation now?

Verstappen did this same move at this very race in '19 to overtake Leclerc to win

And the rules have changed multiple times since

Not that rule

[AR3-GP]

The overtake was done here and Max should have given the place back.

People will say it was a divebomb but the fact is this is the sort of driving that Max himself popularised and has become defacto allowed under the current driving regulations.

Hulkenberg was given a time penalty in the sprint race for the same move so claiming that it is allowed is actually wrong. How do you view the situation now?

Verstappen did this same move at this very race in '19 to overtake Leclerc to win

What is your point? The regulations have been changed since 2019 and the proof is Hulkenberg's penalty less than 24 hours ago is it not? Which precedent should be followed? The one from 2019, or the one from 24 hours ago?

[Spacepace]

Hulkenberg was given a time penalty in the sprint race for the same move so claiming that it is allowed is actually wrong. How do you view the situation now?

Verstappen did this same move at this very race in '19 to overtake Leclerc to win

What is your point? The regulations have been changed since 2019 and the proof is Hulkenberg's penalty less than 24 hours ago is it not? Which precedent should be followed? The one from 2019, or the one from 24 hours ago?

Hulkenberg ran his car straight to the limit of the track literally cutting off the track. Norris took the inside line

[AR3-GP]

Verstappen did this same move at this very race in '19 to overtake Leclerc to win

What is your point? The regulations have been changed since 2019 and the proof is Hulkenberg's penalty less than 24 hours ago is it not? Which precedent should be followed? The one from 2019, or the one from 24 hours ago?

Hulkenberg ran his car straight to the limit of the track literally cutting off the track. Norris took the inside line

Hulkenberg was never outside the track.

[chrisc90]

Hulkenberg yesterday

[Vanja #66]

The overtake was done here and Max should have given the place back.

People will say it was a divebomb but the fact is this is the sort of driving that Max himself popularised and has become defacto allowed under the current driving regulations.

The stewards were asleep for this and for all the other times that Max was moving under braking.

I didn't see Norris ahead at the apex in this situation and his understeer did force Max out. Neither this move from Norris nor Max' move against Leclerc in 2019 should be allowed to stand, so in my view Max was fine to move out and power ahead. It would have been the same if Max had another line available, since Norris had a really bad entry and exit in that situation and Max would have powered ahead anyway

[KimiRai]

Comparison between stints

[DDopey]

All the Max lackeys arguing Lando was at fault for divebombing, conveniently know the fact that Max turned LEFT into a right hand corner to take him out. That is blatant dangerous driving/cheating and has nothing to do with divebombing up the inside.

These forums are filled with people with CFD eyes but apparently blind to what they see in front of them

Look at the onboards I do not see any intention of Max to do it deliberately. He wanted to go back to the driving line, that was a mistake. If he would have stayed on the line he was, he would have come out in front of Lando. Including the 5 sec. penalty there was no reason at all for Max to do this.

[Macklaren]

Dude literally went left heading into a right hand corner, but sure, not deliberate