2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Ben1980]

Plenty of races left.

What would be more worrying is the tyre drop off. Lando said his front were dead at the end, change of fortune there after the upgrade.

The 'lost' points during the stronger days of Mclaren's car (if they are over) will hurt them come the end of the season in the WDC battle. Consistency and being clinical is key in fights like that. Not rookie errors.

Not sure they lost 50 points to Max. So if RBR are back on top ladt 6 races, it generally all becomes irrelevant.

[SilviuAgo]

It is possible that the struggles to apear on MCL38 after the new FW was installed. Lando was complaining about front tyres starting lap 6, which is not good at all. Wasn't as bad as for Mercedes but vs Ferrari and RedBull is not good news.
Oscar instead had a lot of fights and used his tyres more than Lando. But after he had some free air by the end of the race he was very very fast, and easily put +5 to Tsunoda to erase that penalty. So some work to do in McLaren garage and if the car balance will be back, then this race can be win.

[Emag]

The Mclaren rear wing changes could be more than people thought.

The Flexy Mini DRS wing was only gonna be used in Vegas. They didn't have that here.

They've had to change all rear wings according to yesterday's reports.

The only reason they would have had to change all rear wings would be because all of them, including high DF packages, were flexing the same way as low DF wings, just probably to a lesser extent. People are just clinging into things that have no impact on the issues today.

[Ben1980]

Don't think the WDC was ever really on. Tge Mclaren wasn't clearly the best and Red Bull never really went away fully.

But, it was fun to hope and enjoy it.

This is cope. The WDC was on but Norris/McLaren botched at LEAST five wins. McLaren have had the fastest car over the season.

I think after Miami they had the consistently best car but not always the fastest. And I'm not sure they lost 5 wins, or it's not a clear cut 5 wins anyway.

[Darth-Piekus]

Stella mentioned about the whole Rear Mini DRS wing thing but he doesn't think it changed anything. The Rear Wing was the same as Singapore and nothing changed. The team had other bigger issues today and I hope they fix it before Qualifying cause the car is way faster than that.

Regarding the 54 point difference have in mind that Max had overall the best car in the first part of the season and especially till Miami as Red Bull was uncatchable. The difference was made then so let's not act like Max did something extraordinary cause he hasn't been on the podium for 10 races.

[Ben1980]

The old fine line of car updates.

Wonder if that has just thrown the balance out or if just a case of not enough time to find it with the updates and the sprint weekend. The first time in a while the McLarens had balance issues.

Could it be the front wing? Piastri did a purple lap just before Max took it at the end. Norris said his front tyres were dead.

The upgrade looked "formidable" because it was a long list in the update sheet. In reality, it's just a bunch of detailing around the suspension fairings. Slightly different front wing flap configuration and some presumed changes on rear brake duct exits.

I wouldn't even call it an upgrade.

It reads its obe of those changes for future rather than for now.

[Ben1980]

The Flexy Mini DRS wing was only gonna be used in Vegas. They didn't have that here.

They've had to change all rear wings according to yesterday's reports.

The only reason they would have had to change all rear wings would be because all of them, including high DF packages, were flexing the same way as low DF wings, just probably to a lesser extent. People are just clinging into things that have no impact on the issues today.

It may have had no issue, but if the cars are designed for certain rear wings and these are changed, even a bit, will surely have an impact somewhere.

[Alex_Z]

Don't think the WDC was ever really on. Tge Mclaren wasn't clearly the best and Red Bull never really went away fully.

But, it was fun to hope and enjoy it.

This is cope. The WDC was on but Norris/McLaren botched at LEAST five wins. McLaren have had the fastest car over the season.

I think after Miami they had the consistently best car but not always the fastest. And I'm not sure they lost 5 wins, or it's not a clear cut 5 wins anyway.

Barcelona, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary and Monza were clear cut bottled wins. Arguably Spa too.

[Emag]

They've had to change all rear wings according to yesterday's reports.

The only reason they would have had to change all rear wings would be because all of them, including high DF packages, were flexing the same way as low DF wings, just probably to a lesser extent. People are just clinging into things that have no impact on the issues today.

It may have had no issue, but if the cars are designed for certain rear wings and these are changed, even a bit, will surely have an impact somewhere.

Would love to know how changing a rear wing so that it is aerodynamically and physically the same, with the only exception being that it no longer flexes at high-speed to open a gap that increased straight line speed slightly with DRS closed, can make a car stiff, increase tire wear and (probably) mess up tire temps.

[Emag]

This is cope. The WDC was on but Norris/McLaren botched at LEAST five wins. McLaren have had the fastest car over the season.

I think after Miami they had the consistently best car but not always the fastest. And I'm not sure they lost 5 wins, or it's not a clear cut 5 wins anyway.

Barcelona, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary and Monza were clear cut bottled wins. Arguably Spa too.

I am sure Lando could have won Bahrain too, if he tried a little harder.

[Watto]

The old fine line of car updates.

Wonder if that has just thrown the balance out or if just a case of not enough time to find it with the updates and the sprint weekend. The first time in a while the McLarens had balance issues.

Could it be the front wing? Piastri did a purple lap just before Max took it at the end. Norris said his front tyres were dead.

The upgrade looked "formidable" because it was a long list in the update sheet. In reality, it's just a bunch of detailing around the suspension fairings. Slightly different front wing flap configuration and some presumed changes on rear brake duct exits.

I wouldn't even call it an upgrade.

There was a just a though iirc only Lando had the updated wing, Oscar was missing it but had the rest of the updates and didn’t seem to have cooked his tyres - maybe he just managed them better during the race.


On another note don’t think it looks like there is too much to worry about with the incident with Charles at the end a little aggressive think he just defended what he knew was coming and caught Charles by surprise

[blastdoman]

Yeah, and last year Abu Dabi race too xD

[Sieper]

Stella mentioned about the whole Rear Mini DRS wing thing but he doesn't think it changed anything. The Rear Wing was the same as Singapore and nothing changed. The team had other bigger issues today and I hope they fix it before Qualifying cause the car is way faster than that.

Regarding the 54 point difference have in mind that Max had overall the best car in the first part of the season and especially till Miami as Red Bull was uncatchable. The difference was made then so let's not act like Max did something extraordinary cause he hasn't been on the podium for 10 races.

What?

In that case he hasn’t done much no.

[Ben1980]

This is cope. The WDC was on but Norris/McLaren botched at LEAST five wins. McLaren have had the fastest car over the season.

I think after Miami they had the consistently best car but not always the fastest. And I'm not sure they lost 5 wins, or it's not a clear cut 5 wins anyway.

Barcelona, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary and Monza were clear cut bottled wins. Arguably Spa too.

It's when you say Austria, I know you aren't serious. That was a RBR track, Max was pole on sprint, won the sprint, pole in the race, and was pretty comfy until an error which brought Norris into it. Hungary they won? I'm unsure how Monza was bottled. Silverstone was a mess up, but no guarantee of a win though.

[Alex_Z]

I think after Miami they had the consistently best car but not always the fastest. And I'm not sure they lost 5 wins, or it's not a clear cut 5 wins anyway.

Barcelona, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary and Monza were clear cut bottled wins. Arguably Spa too.

I am sure Lando could have won Bahrain too, if he tried a little harder.

Which wins are you disputing Norris/McLaren didn't bottle?
Barcelona: He wins if he leads after first corner.
Austria: Destroys his race by being over zealous against a dirty wheel to wheel racer after been gifted a lifeline with a botched RBR stop.
Silvertstone: Comes in a lap too late AND gets the tyre call wrong. Shares fault with his team.
Hungary: He wins if he leads after first corner, or if he let Oscar past much earlier to have a go at him with plenty of laps to go.
Monza: McLaren's fault.
Spa: First corner error which potentially cost him the win considering where Piastri ended up finishing.