The Ferraris had a massive race pace delta in FP2 where fuel loads were mandated at a 20kg. They were also gapping the competition by 1 second in race pace in FP1.
Ferrari absolutely still struggles in low temps. Just not as much as they did before.Ben1980 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 00:33All season changed after Monza though. This is new Ferrari.
Should give Mclaren half a chance in the race then
"They have a competitive car in race trim, and looking back at Austin, Ferrari were quite ahead in the Sprint. And then we couldn't see the pace because Lando lost position, but I think here, our car is quite closely matched with Ferrari on race pace and we must not forget that Max is there as well."
Overall, I would say the car during this qualifying session was competitive and able to claim pole position, but Carlos raised the bar.
He says there were a few mistakes on the lap, but overall, he is happy that the car was competitive
Your comment started out reasonable, but then you went to this defense of how Mclaren/Lando are not actually at fault for their championship situation, which is cope. You're trying to make some extreme argument "Lando has thrown away the win every race" when that's not what people are actually saying. Just that they've blown enough opportunities with the best car that it's inexcusable.Emag wrote: ↑26 Oct 2024, 23:14That wasn't a reply to you so I don't know why you're replying to it.
As for the rest, I don't argue that McLaren should have been the team with the most race wins this season. What I do argue about is when people claim that they have had enough pace in hand to have easily won every race since Miami and that is just not true. The car hasn't been anywhere close to being the dominant force at every track and some of the races they lost, were lost because they required absolute perfect execution to overcome the tight margins. They failed to deliver and that's not really shocking considering this is the first time they find themselves fighting for wins after a decade. Even then, the only true clusterf*ck was Silverstone.
The reason why people are unwilling to acknowledge that McLaren threw Lando's WDC away, is because it's not true. Lando has thrown points away from mistakes of his own, but people act like he has thrown away the win every race since Miami.
And also people forget that they started the season at race 5. Max was already too far ahead by the time Miami came around and them being slower than Ferrari early on meant that they were getting very little points while Max was getting P1 every race.
Still, the WCC is still possible for them to win, so it's not a complete failure of a season as some people here suggest.
The retarded overtaking guidelines still exist though, so Lando will overtake no Red Bull into T1. Will have to wait for the pit stops.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 00:37Tomorrow is another game. The huge straight and that slipstream could help Norris gain an advantage and gain a place or two depending of what happens. In any case people should not overreact. No WCC is won or lost yet and nothing indicates that Mclaren wont gain again the upper hand. Good thing is that at least this proves that Mclaren never had such a dominant car like the RB20.
Overall I would say the car during this qualifying session was competitive, and was in a condition to score the pole position, even though Carlos in the final session kind of raised the bar quite a bit," said Stella.
"If we take the natural progression, then with Lando we might have been there. But we have to say that the two laps in Q3, they weren't great.
"In the first one, there were a couple of mistakes - these overheated the tyres and then the tyres were going away from Lando.
"In the second one, it wasn't very clean, but it was important to make sure that it was decent enough to be there in the first or the second row.
Extremely annoyed by it? By what? I don't think any of us should be telling each other how we should feel to be honest.Seanspeed wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 01:31Your comment started out reasonable, but then you went to this defense of how Mclaren/Lando are not actually at fault for their championship situation, which is cope. You're trying to make some extreme argument "Lando has thrown away the win every race" when that's not what people are actually saying. Just that they've blown enough opportunities with the best car that it's inexcusable.Emag wrote: ↑26 Oct 2024, 23:14That wasn't a reply to you so I don't know why you're replying to it.
As for the rest, I don't argue that McLaren should have been the team with the most race wins this season. What I do argue about is when people claim that they have had enough pace in hand to have easily won every race since Miami and that is just not true. The car hasn't been anywhere close to being the dominant force at every track and some of the races they lost, were lost because they required absolute perfect execution to overcome the tight margins. They failed to deliver and that's not really shocking considering this is the first time they find themselves fighting for wins after a decade. Even then, the only true clusterf*ck was Silverstone.
The reason why people are unwilling to acknowledge that McLaren threw Lando's WDC away, is because it's not true. Lando has thrown points away from mistakes of his own, but people act like he has thrown away the win every race since Miami.
And also people forget that they started the season at race 5. Max was already too far ahead by the time Miami came around and them being slower than Ferrari early on meant that they were getting very little points while Max was getting P1 every race.
Still, the WCC is still possible for them to win, so it's not a complete failure of a season as some people here suggest.
If you're a reasonable Mclaren fan, you should be extremely annoyed by it, not trying to run defense.
Didn't they have to use mandated tires? Ferrari was using mediums while Red Bull and McLaren were on softs.bananapeel23 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 00:33The Ferraris had a massive race pace delta in FP2 where fuel loads were mandated at a 20kg. They were also gapping the competition by 1 second in race pace in FP1.
This looks like it's going to be a snoozer where Ferrari absolutely dominates.
Fuel loads were fixed as well, 20kg for the short runs, 100kg for the long runs.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 07:19Didn't they have to use mandated tires? Ferrari was using mediums while Red Bull and McLaren were on softs.bananapeel23 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 00:33The Ferraris had a massive race pace delta in FP2 where fuel loads were mandated at a 20kg. They were also gapping the competition by 1 second in race pace in FP1.
This looks like it's going to be a snoozer where Ferrari absolutely dominates.
Hard to have same pace on a non durable tire.
Exactly. So extrapolating any race pace from those sessions is bound to have huge margins of error. McLaren usually has a good read of their race pace and if they think they are similar to McLaren, I think we should trust them. Only caveat is that it may be that lower temperatures help Ferrari who seemed to overheat their tyres in earlier stages of qualifying.search wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 07:39Fuel loads were fixed as well, 20kg for the short runs, 100kg for the long runs.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 07:19Didn't they have to use mandated tires? Ferrari was using mediums while Red Bull and McLaren were on softs.bananapeel23 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 00:33
The Ferraris had a massive race pace delta in FP2 where fuel loads were mandated at a 20kg. They were also gapping the competition by 1 second in race pace in FP1.
This looks like it's going to be a snoozer where Ferrari absolutely dominates.
Hard to have same pace on a non durable tire.
what makes you think so? 100kg is more or less starting fuel. If at all, weight-wise, the numbers should be more accurate than on normal Friday's.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 09:03Exactly. So extrapolating any race pace from those sessions is bound to have huge margins of error.
