2024 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 01 - 03

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napoleon1981 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:37
Verstappen proving who is the best period.
*when he has a car drastically faster than others

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40
napoleon1981 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:37
Verstappen proving who is the best period.
*when he has a car drastically faster than others
He drove a faultless race. Not a wheel put wrong.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40
GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40
napoleon1981 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:37
Verstappen proving who is the best period.
*when he has a car drastically faster than others
He drove a faultless race. Not a wheel put wrong.
He was too good for Hamilton, and he is way too good for Norris :)

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chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40
GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40
napoleon1981 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:37
Verstappen proving who is the best period.
*when he has a car drastically faster than others
He drove a faultless race. Not a wheel put wrong.
Ill definitely give him that. Having a faster car will help with that though.

Thats why he didnt have faultless races when he wasnt dramatically faster than every other car.

Edit: The delusion after winning the first race since i dont even remember is crazy.

He didnt battle any ody today, his car was just faster and got lucky with the timing of the SC on a track where nobody could pass unless their car was massivley faster than everyome around them.

Im not even saying hes not a good driver, but jeez.
Last edited by GrizzleBoy on 03 Nov 2024, 20:44, edited 2 times in total.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:42
chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40
GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40


*when he has a car drastically faster than others
He drove a faultless race. Not a wheel put wrong.
Ill definitely give him that. Having a faster car will help with that though.

Thats why he didnt have faultless races when he wadst dramatically faster than every other car.
I disagree. The car was setup lovely today. But you cant deny that all of the overtakes were done purely down to driver talent.

Very very few people managed a overtake today.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:42
chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40
GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40


*when he has a car drastically faster than others
He drove a faultless race. Not a wheel put wrong.
Ill definitely give him that. Having a faster car will help with that though.

Thats why he didnt have faultless races when he wasnt dramatically faster than every other car.

Edit: The delusion after winning the first race since i dont even remember is crazy.

He didnt battle any ody today, his car was just faster and got lucky with the timing of the SC on a track where nobody could pass unless their car was massivley faster than everyome around them.

Im not even saying hes not a good driver, but jeez.
Come on, what's with the need for all this downplaying always? We know the car is not as fast as the MCL, and has been on the backfoot compared to FER as well recently. It was not miles faster today, his teammate didn't even get it into a scoring position despite 5 drivers dropping out.
Max just did a stellar job here. Starting with an epic first lap, and several good overtakes after.

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DChemTech wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:55
GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:42
chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40


He drove a faultless race. Not a wheel put wrong.
Ill definitely give him that. Having a faster car will help with that though.

Thats why he didnt have faultless races when he wasnt dramatically faster than every other car.

Edit: The delusion after winning the first race since i dont even remember is crazy.

He didnt battle any ody today, his car was just faster and got lucky with the timing of the SC on a track where nobody could pass unless their car was massivley faster than everyome around them.

Im not even saying hes not a good driver, but jeez.
Come on, what's with the need for all this downplaying always? We know the car is not as fast as the MCL, and has been on the backfoot compared to FER as well recently. It was not miles faster today, his teammate didn't even get it into a scoring position despite 5 drivers dropping out.
Max just did a stellar job here. Starting with an epic first lap, and several good overtakes after.
Just seen the edited part there from Grizzle.

Ill agree it was a mega mega gamble with the safety car, one that would have put Max well down the pack if he did end up changing tyres with a stop (Maybe could have done the race on 1 set of boots once the heavy rain cleared?)

Even in the sprint, the car wasnt massively faster.

Masterclass drive, thats why he's a 3x WDC with a drive today thats near enough sealed the 4th WDC.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Tommy.G wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:05
F1NAC wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:55
AMG.Tzan wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:39

Said a Verstapen fan :lol:
As a non Verstappen fan… you really comparing Verstappen, working few places and gambling with pitstop, with Vettel who basically got rammed into, had a broken exhaust, and only miracle kept him going??


What on earth are you smoking. Give me that
Yeah he’s probably talking about the red flag and the free change of tires that basically got Max in front of Norris!

But in any case Max’s pass on Ocon at the restart was the thing that made the difference for me! Ocon had a huge chance to win today but he screwed it with that restart…
Nah Alpines are on a lower level. The window was gone.

Max's RedBull is a car that he understands. He know what setup is best to get the most out of it in all conditions.

The Alpines were only on his level for one small window.
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For some reason i expected Max to win that. He was showing good pace on Friday and Saturday. It was all about how McLaren would defy Max and RedBull today. they didnt. They got befuddled, lost sightbin the spray and ultimately stunned by Max.
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Re: 2024 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 01 - 03

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:42
chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40
GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40


*when he has a car drastically faster than others
He drove a faultless race. Not a wheel put wrong.
Ill definitely give him that. Having a faster car will help with that though.

Thats why he didnt have faultless races when he wasnt dramatically faster than every other car.

Edit: The delusion after winning the first race since i dont even remember is crazy.

He didnt battle any ody today, his car was just faster and got lucky with the timing of the SC on a track where nobody could pass unless their car was massivley faster than everyome around them.

Im not even saying hes not a good driver, but jeez.

Mate, don't descend to facebook forum levels of teenager pettiness.

Are you also going to say the Alpine with the weakest engine on the grid, was setup better than the McLaren ? Why didn't Norris and Piastri close the gap to the alpines after the 2nd restart ? They all had the same fresh inters, didn't they ? McLaren went for the bigger rear wing for Sunday (quali and race) didn't they ?

Wet races are a great 'leveller' of the 'equipment'. Human talent makes the difference, in such situations. Yes, there was the red flag luck, but so was bad luck with the same red flag in qualifying. So that levels it off. Verstappen's superior talent shone through. No arguments about that.

It shone through on the same track in 2016 and it shone through today. I still consider the 2016 drive to be superior, because it was a much younger and inexperienced version of the same driver. In both cases, all the overtakes WITHOUT DRS.

GrizzleBoy, learn to acknowledge truths, even if you don't like them.
Last edited by venkyhere on 03 Nov 2024, 21:08, edited 1 time in total.

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Hamilton won with no pitstop in Brazil 2016. The gamble on a red flag strategy was totally viable and plenty went for it. It is arguable there should have been a red flag when the really heavy rain came before Colapinto crashed.

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:29
Not even Vettel’s 2012 Brazilian GP luck can come close to this thing…
Here's some advice: Just enjoy watching the best driver ever driving in real time, live, as it happens. In some years you will be able to look back on this and realise how lucky you were to have this blessing.

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Rikhart wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 21:07
AMG.Tzan wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 19:29
Not even Vettel’s 2012 Brazilian GP luck can come close to this thing…
Here's some advice: Just enjoy watching the best driver ever driving in real time, live, as it happens. In some years you will be able to look back on this and realise how lucky you were to have this blessing.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah whatever
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venkyhere wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 21:05
GrizzleBoy wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:42
chrisc90 wrote:
03 Nov 2024, 20:40


He drove a faultless race. Not a wheel put wrong.
Ill definitely give him that. Having a faster car will help with that though.

Thats why he didnt have faultless races when he wasnt dramatically faster than every other car.

Edit: The delusion after winning the first race since i dont even remember is crazy.

He didnt battle any ody today, his car was just faster and got lucky with the timing of the SC on a track where nobody could pass unless their car was massivley faster than everyome around them.

Im not even saying hes not a good driver, but jeez.

Mate, don't descend to facebook forum levels of teenager pettiness.

Are you also going to say the Alpine with the weakest engine on the grid, was setup better than the McLaren ? Why didn't Norris and Piastri close the gap to the alpines after the 2nd restart ? They all had the same fresh inters, didn't they ? McLaren went for the bigger rear wing for Sunday (quali and race) didn't they ?

Wet races are a great 'leveller' of the 'equipment'. Human talent makes the difference, in such situations. Yes, there was the red flag luck, but so was bad luck with the same red flag in qualifying. So that levels it off. Verstappen's superior talent shone through. No arguments about that.

It shone through on the same track in 2016 and it shone through today. I still consider the 2016 drive to be superior, because it was a much younger and inexperienced version of the same driver. In both cases, all the overtakes WITHOUT DRS.

GrizzleBoy, learn to acknowledge truths, even if you don't like them.
No, you're right.

He was just unlucky for the past ten races and circumstances/car performance on any given day/track has nothing to do with F1 races. And races like Silverstone this year where he was nowhere in the wet and only mounted a challenged once the track dried, those were figments of my imagination.

I apologize for my opinion. I agreed that Max drove a faultless race and made the most of his situation, but what I actually needed to say is that Max clearly is the greatest F1 racer, and this was the best driver ever.
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Well, that was some prime Mike Tyson level knock out blow from Verstappen today.

Brilliant performance in the wet again.

Not much else to say.