2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[deadhead]

Too much drama for my liking.

I guess Sainz knows that his might be his list chance of a podium or a win so he is just trying to maximize that, which is understable, but at least say it out loud and just do that instead of saying one thing to the team and doing something else on track.

I think the constructors is now very unlikely, unfortunately. They will need to leave Qatar having scored more points than McLaren - and, in principle, a decent amount more - and without exogenous events, I just don’t see that happening. It’s a shame because I think it will be very close in the end but just not quite enough.

McLaren 1-2 there is what everyone expects I think

[Timtim99]

Too much drama for my liking.

I guess Sainz knows that his might be his list chance of a podium or a win so he is just trying to maximize that, which is understable, but at least say it out loud and just do that instead of saying one thing to the team and doing something else on track.

I think the constructors is now very unlikely, unfortunately. They will need to leave Qatar having scored more points than McLaren - and, in principle, a decent amount more - and without exogenous events, I just don’t see that happening. It’s a shame because I think it will be very close in the end but just not quite enough.

McLaren 1-2 there is what everyone expects I think

McLaren 1-2 is what most people predicted for today’s race and we all knew where they finished.

[Timtim99]

The team(or may aptly Sainz I guess) have lost Charles it seems. He is fuming. Sainz just spoke of an agreement they have to not speak of each other in the media or on the radio so this might get spicy. These vibes are not what we need to win WCC...

Can't say I blame Charles. Seems like every-time they have an agreement about in race behavior, Sainz ignores.

This is why nobody wanted Carlos.

Carlos is never a team player, for him it me, me, and me again hence all the top team didn’t want him

[CjC]

Too much drama for my liking.

I guess Sainz knows that his might be his list chance of a podium or a win so he is just trying to maximize that, which is understable, but at least say it out loud and just do that instead of saying one thing to the team and doing something else on track.

I think the constructors is now very unlikely, unfortunately. They will need to leave Qatar having scored more points than McLaren - and, in principle, a decent amount more - and without exogenous events, I just don’t see that happening. It’s a shame because I think it will be very close in the end but just not quite enough.

McLaren 1-2 there is what everyone expects I think

McLaren 1-2 is what most people predicted for today’s race and we all knew where they finished.

What??
You mean a Ferrari 1-2 today?

[Sevach]

Did Sainz slow down on purpose to give Max DRS for defense? I don't think we'll ever learn

[LookingGlass]

I wouldn't consider myself necessarily a member of the tifosi but my wife is Italian so by default am fan-adjacent?

Anyways, seems like Ferrari plays a large role often in creating these situations between LeClerc and Sainz. Both drivers seem to have little confidence in their race engineers too often. Fluctuates between one driver following directions closer and getting screwed over (often LeClair) and the other driver taking more liberty, resulting in less failures but causing team tension (Sainz). It's very weird to see happen so often. Hopefully I'm wrong but the Hamilton signing seems like a recipe for disaster.

[Cs98]

Did Sainz slow down on purpose to give Max DRS for defense? I don't think we'll ever learn

https://twitter.com/f1bigdata/status/18 ... 4NPVpCZLQ

https://x.com/F1BigData/status/1860762370274161071

More information on this, taken from
@victorabadf1

, it seems that Sainz's behaviour in turns 10-11 is NORMAL, even the engineer asked him on the radio on several occasions to lift his foot more in that area.
This is the translation of his post.

The fact is this: Sainz lifted his foot between turns 10-11 for 82% of the race.

Not only did he do it throughout the Grand Prix, but the track engineer insisted for half the race that he do it even more. Since the data is of interest, here is the detail of each time he lifted his foot + the radios of his engineer:

Good to read the entire thread, that way you can see when the author corrects their own misinformation.

[AnotherAlex]

Sainz beat Leclerc fair and square

Passing your team mate when you had been told not to race him, and he had been told to bring his tyres in slowly because you wouldn't be challenging him is not 'fair and square'.

Good to read the entire thread, that way you can see when the author corrects their own misinformation.

If Sainz was only following team orders then the team should have told him to push until Verstappen was out of DRS range, though I'm sure that would have been another of the instructions he would choose to ignore.

I expect he'll be a good signing for Williams, but, as a Ferrari fan, I would have liked him to go Red Bull or Mercedes.

[bananapeel23]

Not sure what point is being made. Sainz beat Leclerc fair and square despite that massive blunder at the second stop. If Leclerc was much faster he would've caught him on fresher tyres at the end. Anyways, I just think people are quick to jump on Sainz and make up conspiracies without even bothering to look up the facts. Some of this stuff can literally be debunked in 5 seconds.

Maybe he beat him fair and square, but the way he did it was dirty. Not to mention the fact he had several tenths worth of extra pace due to the fresh engine he got after screwing up quali in Brazil. I recall Vanja saying it was worth about 3 tenths a lap in Las Vegas.

Now I like Sainz and he deverves to be in Red Bull, not Williams, but he's undeniably pretty damn awful with team orders.

[Xyz22]

Leclerc completely mismanaged the first stint. Why was he so aggressive ? The only logical explanation was that he wanted to have free air but clearly they didn't expect to have so much graining. The pace with the hards was good enough to finish P2 probably.

Race execution has been really terrible from the pit wall as well. Sainz lost 2s with that late pit stop call and Leclerc pit way too late for the third stint. He lost a lot of time as well.

[dialtone]

Leclerc completely mismanaged the first stint. Why was he so aggressive ? The only logical explanation was that he wanted to have free air but clearly they didn't expect to have so much graining. The pace with the hards was good enough to finish P2 probably.

Race execution has been really terrible.

In his defense it would have saved relatively little… everyone pitted the lap after anyway on tires that should have lasted 14+ laps and instead were done after much less than that, and it was apparently not a gradual drop in performance.

[Seanspeed]

Leclerc completely mismanaged the first stint. Why was he so aggressive ?

He really wasn't that aggressive at all. He did a minimal amount of pushing and it just seemed to destroy everything.

Ferrari, and pretty much the whole grid, were caught out at the tire behavior. Even Mercedes were completely bewildered why their car worked so much better over a distance compared to everybody else. Leclerc's actions in hindsight can be criticized, but he was not doing any egregious hard pushing or moves or anything that would cause blame for excessive tire wear. There was no reason to believe that making some modest attempts at Russel were gonna lead to absolute destruction of pace.

Come on now.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Leclerc completely mismanaged the first stint. Why was he so aggressive ? The only logical explanation was that he wanted to have free air but clearly they didn't expect to have so much graining. The pace with the hards was good enough to finish P2 probably.

Race execution has been really terrible from the pit wall as well. Sainz lost 2s with that late pit stop call and Leclerc pit way too late for the third stint. He lost a lot of time as well.

FYI Leclerc also thinks he mismanaged the first stint. (I don't know if I agree, I think it was only bad in hindsight. Nobody predicted the mediums would be that bad. Norris also really struggled on the mediums.)



Most of the race was done on the hards so I don't think the poor times on mediums had much of an effect.

[Xyz22]

Leclerc completely mismanaged the first stint. Why was he so aggressive ? The only logical explanation was that he wanted to have free air but clearly they didn't expect to have so much graining. The pace with the hards was good enough to finish P2 probably.

Race execution has been really terrible from the pit wall as well. Sainz lost 2s with that late pit stop call and Leclerc pit way too late for the third stint. He lost a lot of time as well.

FYI Leclerc also thinks he mismanaged the first stint. (I don't know if I agree, I think it was only bad in hindsight. Nobody predicted the mediums would be that bad. Norris also really struggled on the mediums.)



Most of the race was done on the hards so I don't think the poor times on mediums had much of an effect.

I’m not surprised. Leclerc usually is one of the best driver at managing medium tyres with full fuel at the start of the race. This time he tried to attack Russell in the first 4 laps, something he has never done before this year pretty much. The first stint had a huge impact in Leclerc’s race as he lost 5s compared to Sainz and 10s on Russell (in like 5 laps). Once again terrible execution with a completely different approach than usual which didn’t work at all. I really don’t understand what the hell where they thinking, maybe they thought they had a huge pace advantage?

[Vanja #66]

The first stint had a huge impact in Leclerc’s race as he lost 5s compared to Sainz and 10s on Russell (in like 5 laps). Once again terrible execution with a completely different approach than usual which didn’t work at all. I really don’t understand what the hell where they thinking, maybe they thought they had a huge pace advantage?

So without trying to go for race lead, he would have had the same pace as Sainz ideally - who also lost loads of time when Mediums went off. What would have changed in his race, other than finishing P3? Turn it around any way, Ferrari was 2nd best yesterday, cold conditions suited Mercedes the most by far and even they were surprised how good they were.