2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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todays drive from Leclerc makes be believe in next year , maybe I am drunk atm and very delusion but I believe [-o<

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Fakepivot wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 20:35
todays drive from Leclerc makes be believe in next year , maybe I am drunk atm and very delusion but I believe [-o<
Leclerc scored the most points of any driver after the summer break. I think it's fully justified to believe he could win the championship if Ferrari remains as competitive as they are. He has been absolutely incredible, but the car needs to remain consistently good for him to win the WDC.

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Sphere3758 wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 17:49
Stunning drive from Charles! Carlos saying McLaren was a tenth faster was a bit annoying at the end. If he truly believed that, he should have pushed Lando a bit more

Anyway, onto better things for next year. The Leclerc/Hamilton race pace battle is going to hit like crack!
You think he should’ve come up with an imaginary 1-2 tenths?

Man, I’m sure there are plenty of drivers and engineers who would love to figure how you manage to do that.

McLaren clearly had the quicker car and no amount of “pushing” would’ve changed that.

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Vasseur gives 6-7 to the team for this season, believes much more can be done next year. I guess he's thinking 6.5 for 650p won :lol:

https://autoracer.it/it/vasseur-orgogli ... a-stagione

The assessment drawn by Frederic Vasseur on the Ferrari season is however positive, despite immediately wanting to underline the difficult moments and, describing himself as severe, giving the team a low rating of "6 or 7" . There is room for improvement. But I am especially proud of how we reacted in difficult moments like in Canada, with the update in Spain, the incidents in Singapore and Baku and also the performance in Las Vegas. However, each time we came back stronger than before , both as teams and the riders themselves . " In particular, the Frenchman spoke about the technical crisis faced with the Barcelona update which did not allow the SF-24 to make the leap forward in performance that was expected. “ Between Austria and the UK we understood that the update was not working. We said to ourselves, okay, this is the situation, let's take a step back and try again. We were all very open and there was no blaming or internal fighting and this is a positive message and I am very proud of it."
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deadhead wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 17:13
Spoutnik wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 17:04
Having both Hamilton and Leclerc mental race pace will be an asset next year
100%

I’d argue strongest pair in recent F1 history
That were people saying when Kimi joined Alonso in ‘14

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Vanja #66 wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 22:17
Vasseur gives 6-7 to the team for this season, believes much more can be done next year. I guess he's thinking 6.5 for 650p won :lol:

https://autoracer.it/it/vasseur-orgogli ... a-stagione

The assessment drawn by Frederic Vasseur on the Ferrari season is however positive, despite immediately wanting to underline the difficult moments and, describing himself as severe, giving the team a low rating of "6 or 7" . There is room for improvement. But I am especially proud of how we reacted in difficult moments like in Canada, with the update in Spain, the incidents in Singapore and Baku and also the performance in Las Vegas. However, each time we came back stronger than before , both as teams and the riders themselves . " In particular, the Frenchman spoke about the technical crisis faced with the Barcelona update which did not allow the SF-24 to make the leap forward in performance that was expected. “ Between Austria and the UK we understood that the update was not working. We said to ourselves, okay, this is the situation, let's take a step back and try again. We were all very open and there was no blaming or internal fighting and this is a positive message and I am very proud of it."
I think it’s a good assessment tbh. On the one hand, the failure of that one update ultimately cost us a reasonable shot at the WCC, and so to give a higher score than 7 would be a bit too pleased with yourself. But the reaction was really really strong. Not only did we lose points in those specific races where the car wasn’t performing, we also wasted time and money on fixing the problem - the competitiveness we’ve had until the end of the season across different kinds of tracks has been very impressive in the circumstances.

Next year will be a tricky year to take the next step - we could risk doing a 2008/9 if we’re not careful about switching resources to 2026 early - but there’s ever chance we can start the year strong and, if so, we’ll give ourselves the best possible chance in both years.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 22:17
Vasseur gives 6-7 to the team for this season, believes much more can be done next year. I guess he's thinking 6.5 for 650p won :lol:

https://autoracer.it/it/vasseur-orgogli ... a-stagione

The assessment drawn by Frederic Vasseur on the Ferrari season is however positive, despite immediately wanting to underline the difficult moments and, describing himself as severe, giving the team a low rating of "6 or 7" . There is room for improvement. But I am especially proud of how we reacted in difficult moments like in Canada, with the update in Spain, the incidents in Singapore and Baku and also the performance in Las Vegas. However, each time we came back stronger than before , both as teams and the riders themselves . " In particular, the Frenchman spoke about the technical crisis faced with the Barcelona update which did not allow the SF-24 to make the leap forward in performance that was expected. “ Between Austria and the UK we understood that the update was not working. We said to ourselves, okay, this is the situation, let's take a step back and try again. We were all very open and there was no blaming or internal fighting and this is a positive message and I am very proud of it."
The score is correct. Without the Spain upgrade disaster we would have been in the fight for the WDC till the last race with Charles and won the WCC easily probably.

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How was Charles pace compared to Norris?

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Some amazing stats from Ferrari's drivers:

Leclerc finished below P5 only twice, with one of those being the starting incident in Austria. He had the most top 5 finishes of any driver. Sainz finished below P7 once... in Baku, so effectively he didn't finish below P7 at all.

Leclerc finished P4 or above in 75% of races, and Sainz finished P5 or above in 62% of races.

Leclerc got 13 podiums, the same as Norris. Sainz got 9 podiums, one more than Piastri!

Bonus fact: Leclerc didn't receive any race penalties. He might be the only driver to do so, I haven't double-checked.

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Autobahn303 wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 23:08
How was Charles pace compared to Norris?
In the not-traffic-influenced 2nd half of the race, he lost around 10s to Norris, so something around 3 tenths a lap. Leclerc's tires were a couple of laps older

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search wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 23:49
Autobahn303 wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 23:08
How was Charles pace compared to Norris?
In the not-traffic-influenced 2nd half of the race, he lost around 10s to Norris, so something around 3 tenths a lap. Leclerc's tires were a couple of laps older
IIRC 6 laps older.

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f1316 wrote:
08 Dec 2024, 22:28
Next year will be a tricky year to take the next step - we could risk doing a 2008/9 if we’re not careful about switching resources to 2026 early - but there’s ever chance we can start the year strong and, if so, we’ll give ourselves the best possible chance in both years.
I hope they dont overthink it.

Realistically, we dont need to hit 2026 with the best car on Day 1 to be in a good position for the new generation. What we need is a well oiled organization that understands how to build and develop a great car. If we need to spend some time next season working on the 2025 car to ensure we've got that organizational machine fully oiled up, it'll be worth it to ensure that the foundation for the 2026 is the best it can be.

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I still have my doubts on the value Lewis will bring to this team. The Max / Checo formula is the only proven formula to win a WDC title when the cars are close enough. It lets the team focus completely on one driver and lets the driver focus on the real competition and not get involved in unnecessary team squabbles.

We all saw this at Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes this year. Charles needed a Hulkenberg/Bottas next to him, not a Lewis Hamilton.

I could, of course, produce the counter argument to this myself (Motivated engineers delivering the fastest car / It is all about constructors bla bla..), but I still see the upside being low.

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Sphere3758 wrote:
09 Dec 2024, 00:39
The Max / Checo formula
Schumacher / Irvine - Barrichello happened decades prior tho

Hamilton will be a net positive for the team as a whole.

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deadhead wrote:
09 Dec 2024, 01:28
Sphere3758 wrote:
09 Dec 2024, 00:39
The Max / Checo formula
Schumacher / Irvine - Barrichello happened decades prior tho

Hamilton will be a net positive for the team as a whole.
The only positive that is assured is Ferrari will have a WDC just like Alonso Vettel who came before him.

LH is very popular in the US which is also Ferrari biggest market for car sales..Will LH lead to further increase in sales? that is something which need to be seen..

As far as technical development I don't think there is anything Merc can offer to Ferrari for the current generation of F1 cars.

So for me this is likely to be a branding and PR exercise unless they win something tangible.