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After all, Aston changed their plans. Bell will be TD until Cardille arrive (July 18 th). He and Blandin will be focus on AMR25. Here we have a such nive information ...FIA allows you to have one tunnel per project only So guys. AMR25 will never see the new wind tunnel and they gave up to work on their 2026 until now car because the new wind tunnel is not ready, and this happen when first trimester ends ( final march, like De La Rosa said). And they will compensate this delay giving up more Wind Tunnel hours for Newey and this will make the AMR26 will be more Newey influence than expected inicially. I really dont know what will happen next year, but, week after week look less promising. https://www.motor.es/formula-1/aston-ma ... 06998.html
This site an author are not very reliable.
First of all I doubt that it is true that you can only work with 1 tunnel/car model. When I read the FIA sporting regulations some weeks ago I remember that there are some exceptions. Like your tunnel has a failure. Obviously you can't wait weeks or even months for the repair. If you have a new tunnel ready you can declare it.
Krack told moreover already in Abu Dhabi that the new wind tunnel will be ready in 2-3 months (which is about now). So was it delayed alredy in December, or just in plan? I don't know, I doubt the author knows.
Last thing is the wind tunnel test times. As the rules are very clear, you can not save tunnel testing time (for example doing less runs in Januray and February and therefore more for exmpale in June and July). First ATR ended last sunday, whether you used your CFD and tunnel hours or not.
We never know, but De La Rosa said last week wind tunnel still no working on full capacity, and he said "until march ends"
No matter who's side you are on, a gardening leave of 1 year is pretty ridiculous. 6 months is already excessive.a
Who pays him this whole time? And what if 20 engineers decided to leave with him? Are they also on a 1 year sabbatical?
At what level does this requirement stop? As in, do mid level engineers also have to serve a gardening leave? Juniors? A good junior with ambition could easily gather an enormous amount of info just by involving themselves in different departments. It's a workplace after all, not difficult to roam the office is it?
No matter who's side you are on, a gardening leave of 1 year is pretty ridiculous. 6 months is already excessive.a
Who pays him this whole time? And what if 20 engineers decided to leave with him? Are they also on a 1 year sabbatical?
At what level does this requirement stop? As in, do mid level engineers also have to serve a gardening leave? Juniors? A good junior with ambition could easily gather an enormous amount of info just by involving themselves in different departments. It's a workplace after all, not difficult to roam the office is it?
The team that is preventing the engineer from joining the other team needs to pay him.
Depends on their contracts...
As long as the teams keep putting the "gardening "requirement in contracts and the engineers sign them.
On the positive side, It sounds like, Cardile has been working at AMF1 since January on the down low. So maybe he's gotten up to speed, put some process in place, did a data dump and has enough data that he can continue to work/help from the outside.
No matter who's side you are on, a gardening leave of 1 year is pretty ridiculous. 6 months is already excessive.a
Who pays him this whole time? And what if 20 engineers decided to leave with him? Are they also on a 1 year sabbatical?
At what level does this requirement stop? As in, do mid level engineers also have to serve a gardening leave? Juniors? A good junior with ambition could easily gather an enormous amount of info just by involving themselves in different departments. It's a workplace after all, not difficult to roam the office is it?
The team that is preventing the engineer from joining the other team needs to pay him.
Depends on their contracts...
As long as the teams keep putting the "gardening "requirement in contracts and the engineers sign them.
Exactly, these types of contracts has been in F1 for years.
And the engineers sign the agreement themselves
The Cardile affair worries me because it looks like a botched job. The only thing that reassures me is that they may have done it consciously and that they care very little about the wording of the contracts. They are not newbies in this business and I prefer them to be pirates than botchers because ALO needs a good car as soon as possible: so I would tolerate irregular behaviour as long as they get it.
I am also quite annoyed that F1 is becoming more and more like politics with its intrigues, rumours, rules, regulations, formalities and bureaucracy. In addition, there are thousands of specialists passionately dedicated to spreading theories, statements, half-truths, half-lies and gossip.
I don't know what they are doing at AM. I also don't know exactly what Ferrari is looking for. Maybe they would be content with compensation and feed their pride a little with money and a statement from AM promising to be good guys.
What I want most is to forget all this nonsense when the races start and check once and for all that the car is going well, that the team is working wonderfully... and that we are not fighting at the back of the pack.
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.
Oh, I know that these contracts have been in place for years, but it wasn't always the case of a full year off. 3 months used to be the norm, then it got stretched a bit further and further.
Signing a contract with such clauses doesn't mean the engineer is ok with them.
There's been some dissatisfaction recently about the increased length of gardening leave, so maybe this is a deliberate play by Stroll etc as a way of reducing them again.
I imagine hiring new staff who can't work for the next year must be enormously frustrating for everyone.
After all, Aston changed their plans. Bell will be TD until Cardille arrive (July 18 th). He and Blandin will be focus on AMR25. Here we have a such nive information ...FIA allows you to have one tunnel per project only So guys. AMR25 will never see the new wind tunnel and they gave up to work on their 2026 until now car because the new wind tunnel is not ready, and this happen when first trimester ends ( final march, like De La Rosa said). And they will compensate this delay giving up more Wind Tunnel hours for Newey and this will make the AMR26 will be more Newey influence than expected inicially. I really dont know what will happen next year, but, week after week look less promising. https://www.motor.es/formula-1/aston-ma ... 06998.html
This site an author are not very reliable.
First of all I doubt that it is true that you can only work with 1 tunnel/car model. When I read the FIA sporting regulations some weeks ago I remember that there are some exceptions. Like your tunnel has a failure. Obviously you can't wait weeks or even months for the repair. If you have a new tunnel ready you can declare it.
Krack told moreover already in Abu Dhabi that the new wind tunnel will be ready in 2-3 months (which is about now). So was it delayed alredy in December, or just in plan? I don't know, I doubt the author knows.
Last thing is the wind tunnel test times. As the rules are very clear, you can not save tunnel testing time (for example doing less runs in Januray and February and therefore more for exmpale in June and July). First ATR ended last sunday, whether you used your CFD and tunnel hours or not.
i believe that the rules also allow a team to recoup hours not used in the following quarter if all the time isnt used too though. im not able to post it atm
I am seeing them way below Williams in most predictions. And below Alpine. I know its just predictions but the team was not quietly confident during testing like in 2023. They have been quietly disappointed.
Even if it's slow at the start , throwing it away for 2026 would be a bad look.
Oh, I know that these contracts have been in place for years, but it wasn't always the case of a full year off. 3 months used to be the norm, then it got stretched a bit further and further.
Signing a contract with such clauses doesn't mean the engineer is ok with them.
There's been some dissatisfaction recently about the increased length of gardening leave, so maybe this is a deliberate play by Stroll etc as a way of reducing them again.
I imagine hiring new staff who can't work for the next year must be enormously frustrating for everyone.
if cardile was moving to racing bulls or haas i dont think that this would have been an issue, and thats probably why lawrence is supposedly so "furious", as reported by the media. ferrari is trying to protect itself for 2026 competition, and they apparently have written the contracts in a way that allows them to do it. they view aston as a threat in the not too distant future. and maybe its true that they werent really happy with him leaving when he did. they want to really stick it to him. i bet that all of their contracts for top technical staff has certain wording, and its up to them whether they pull the trigger on executing it for the full terms of their agreement.
Unless Ferrari is enforcing gardening leave beyond what is written in Cardile's contract, which would be illegal I presume, then the fault for the confusion falls solely on AM and Cardile himself. Maybe there is a "gentlemen's agreement" that gardening leave should be only so many months, maybe there is not. But either way that doesn't hold up in court. From the outside it seems like maybe the contract requires 12 months but based on some kind of precedent or colloquial experience it was assumed that there would be some wiggle room from AM and Cardile.
Ferrari has every right to enforce the contracts they have written and Cardile has signed. And who knows, maybe AM has dodged a bullet by avoiding another Spygate scenario of using Ferrari's IP if Cardile is still under contract. This could have (and still could if there was sufficient evidence to suggest collaboration between Cardile and AM) gotten very ugly in court very fast if someone was mad enough.
Perhaps papa Stroll is mad because he couldn't just solve the problem with a bunch of money like he usually tries to.
"You can't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
- Mark Twain
The Cardile affair worries me because it looks like a botched job. The only thing that reassures me is that they may have done it consciously and that they care very little about the wording of the contracts. They are not newbies in this business and I prefer them to be pirates than botchers because ALO needs a good car as soon as possible: so I would tolerate irregular behaviour as long as they get it.
I am also quite annoyed that F1 is becoming more and more like politics with its intrigues, rumours, rules, regulations, formalities and bureaucracy. In addition, there are thousands of specialists passionately dedicated to spreading theories, statements, half-truths, half-lies and gossip.
I don't know what they are doing at AM. I also don't know exactly what Ferrari is looking for. Maybe they would be content with compensation and feed their pride a little with money and a statement from AM promising to be good guys.
What I want most is to forget all this nonsense when the races start and check once and for all that the car is going well, that the team is working wonderfully... and that we are not fighting at the back of the pack.
Some teams are more lenient of this than others. RBR and Ferrari are 2 of the toughest on gardening leave. Mattia Binotto had to wait 1 year after being fired...imagine that....
Not sure where the "botched job" comes from. It was very apparent in the news that Ferrari where very pissed off on the Cardile leaving when he left and swore to uphold the gardening leave to the max right from the start.
Like I've said before, the July date was the date from the get go. Then AM F1 tried to bypass it, thinking Ferrari wouldn't take Cardile to court but they did and won.
I am also quite annoyed that F1 is becoming more and more like politics with its intrigues, rumours, rules, regulations, formalities and bureaucracy. In addition, there are thousands of specialists passionately dedicated to spreading theories, statements, half-truths, half-lies and gossip.
That my friend is the work of Liberty media, who consider F1 to be nothing more than an entertainment and money generating sit com, not an epic sport rich in history, tragedy, and glory. No track, no tradition, no location is sacred in F1 anymore, and it is going to worsen because Liberty has no shame.
After all, Aston changed their plans. Bell will be TD until Cardille arrive (July 18 th). He and Blandin will be focus on AMR25. Here we have a such nive information ...FIA allows you to have one tunnel per project only So guys. AMR25 will never see the new wind tunnel and they gave up to work on their 2026 until now car because the new wind tunnel is not ready, and this happen when first trimester ends ( final march, like De La Rosa said). And they will compensate this delay giving up more Wind Tunnel hours for Newey and this will make the AMR26 will be more Newey influence than expected inicially. I really dont know what will happen next year, but, week after week look less promising. https://www.motor.es/formula-1/aston-ma ... 06998.html
This site an author are not very reliable.
First of all I doubt that it is true that you can only work with 1 tunnel/car model. When I read the FIA sporting regulations some weeks ago I remember that there are some exceptions. Like your tunnel has a failure. Obviously you can't wait weeks or even months for the repair. If you have a new tunnel ready you can declare it.
Krack told moreover already in Abu Dhabi that the new wind tunnel will be ready in 2-3 months (which is about now). So was it delayed alredy in December, or just in plan? I don't know, I doubt the author knows.
Last thing is the wind tunnel test times. As the rules are very clear, you can not save tunnel testing time (for example doing less runs in Januray and February and therefore more for exmpale in June and July). First ATR ended last sunday, whether you used your CFD and tunnel hours or not.
i believe that the rules also allow a team to recoup hours not used in the following quarter if all the time isnt used too though. im not able to post it atm
I didn’t read of such a rule, but everybody can read the sporting regulations. It’s no mystery.
I highly doubt though, would even rule it out, that AMR didn’t use any wind tunnel time in 2025 so far, in the first ATR…
First of all I doubt that it is true that you can only work with 1 tunnel/car model. When I read the FIA sporting regulations some weeks ago I remember that there are some exceptions. Like your tunnel has a failure. Obviously you can't wait weeks or even months for the repair. If you have a new tunnel ready you can declare it.
Krack told moreover already in Abu Dhabi that the new wind tunnel will be ready in 2-3 months (which is about now). So was it delayed alredy in December, or just in plan? I don't know, I doubt the author knows.
Last thing is the wind tunnel test times. As the rules are very clear, you can not save tunnel testing time (for example doing less runs in Januray and February and therefore more for exmpale in June and July). First ATR ended last sunday, whether you used your CFD and tunnel hours or not.
i believe that the rules also allow a team to recoup hours not used in the following quarter if all the time isnt used too though. im not able to post it atm
I didn’t read of such a rule, but everybody can read the sporting regulations. It’s no mystery.
I highly doubt though, would even rule it out, that AMR didn’t use any wind tunnel time in 2025 so far, in the first ATR…
Page 66 under "2. Restricted Wind Tunnel Testing (RWTT)"
The FIA will consider, at its absolute discretion, earlier or temporary nominations if a wind
tunnel already nominated by a team Competitor suffers a long term failure or for the purpose
of evaluating alternative wind tunnels. If a different facility is to be used or if the existing facility
is changed or upgraded, other than for routine maintenance or replacement, then a new
declaration must be submitted to the FIA within one month of the change or at the time of
submission of a testing period report whichever is earlier.
