2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[DGP123]

They can probably get away with running lower on the sprint regardless, because the race lasts much less.

Yes, exactly.

Its not illegal to run it low, but how much the plank is worn.

Nothing illegal about the sprint. But it didn't go on long enough to wear more off that plank.

The side of floor height is in relation to reference point on chassis, not from floor as I understand it.

I beginning to wonder if teams have been or will start to intentionally run the car lower in the sprints for more performance knowing they won’t cause excessive wear on the plank over 100 kms distance, then raise the ride height for the main race.

I’d be very surprised if the teams haven’t been doing this since the sprints inception, especially if scrutineering doesn’t look at it.

[deadhead]

So, how long does Frédéric Vasseur have?

[matt_b]

This car is second fastest when they get the set up right and not far behind the McLaren, they can take that as a positive along with Lewis' masterclass in the Sprint Pole and Sprint Win but thats about it

[Farnborough]

Yes, the controlling hard line here is plank wear, not ride height. That's the rule as I understand it, and would surprise me if all are not working to that now.

Once they effectively deleted the parc fermè requirements as they had in original sprint format, then the operating method is available.

I'd be honestly surprised if all teams aren't.

Edit:- in response to CJC note above.

[Farnborough]

Further thoughts, the start weight for sprint will be lower because of fuel carried, why would they start at full tank weight calculation/static ride height set, when they can optimise at that lower weight and set static height accordingly ?

They'd be daft not to do exactly this in maximising their performance.

[214270]

Not saying his car was illegal in the sprint, just the ride height choice put the car in an illegal window, giving a false representation of performance.
For arguments sake, if parc ferme wasn’t opened up between the sprint and the race so the car had to run at a height which wouldn’t cause excessive plank wear in the main race, Hamilton’s car would have to run in a less competitive operating window, more akin to what we saw in Australia meaning Hamilton’s wouldn’t have been on Sprint pole, wouldn’t have had all of that free air to run in and wouldn’t had the pace in the car to pull away once Oscar cleared Verstappen.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not taking anything away from Lewis, he did what he’s ment to do- drive the car that is under him as fast as possible, which he did.
Even as a fan of McLaren, I don’t like to see other cars DSQ’d because it muddies the true competitive picture.

I guess I just don’t accept the use of ‘illegal window’. It is expected for teams to solve for the sprint separate from the main event seeing as that’s what the parc ferme rules now permit. Which means, Id be shocked if every other team weren’t doing the same for the sprint events.

False read on performance? sure, I can see that. But for the sprint in particular, the car needed to return a plank measurement not exceeding 1mm; so they’re free to run at any height of their choosing that delivers the requisite thickness post-race. Anyhow, nuff said.

[mstar]

So, how long does Frédéric Vasseur have?

Fred is PROBABLY not the problem. However i need to raise a few things which i am not happy about:

1) It was alledgely fred who pull out of Adrian Newey discussions as Newey wanted over-all control over the technical department to hire/fire. Why fred thinks this is a undermining for him i don't know. Adrian knows which technical people he needs/doesnt need. John Elkan gave fred blank cheque to get Newey but fred ended the discussions.

2) Too lenient on under-performing staff? Is he too nice and willing to give people a chance? We lost cardile / resta but we not had big name replacements other than Loic Serra.

3) Promoted Loic Serra without him actually doing anything? Was this a little premature post Cardile leaving?

[Farnborough]

I feel, emphatically, that Ferrari are not doing anything wrong in how they arrange their sprint setup. Morally or "legally" howsoever it's considered.

To put it another way:- how many engineers in all the teams will miss setup optimisation for what, 50/60kgs less start fuel weight ? I bet not one of them.

That weight carried at start of full race though .... probably where most of the plank wear takes place .... in the first half of race laps.

Lewis may have been too candid in revealing the setup change and its effects after the shift between the two events. Others are noticeably quite on this topic.

[KimiRai]

So, how long does Frédéric Vasseur have?

2026 at least I would say which is the big year. If that turns out to be a flop then he may be in danger, but I don't think he is for now.

[SB15]

This car is second fastest when they get the set up right and not far behind the McLaren, they can take that as a positive along with Lewis' masterclass in the Sprint Pole and Sprint Win but thats about it

No I don’t think that’s the case at all. I can fully understand your optimism but Ferrari reasons for having the 2nd fastest car was when they could run the car quite low to ground compared to other teams, but once you remove that and add in the fears about plank wear, it’s very clear they’re going to have to raise the ride height which greatly impacts performance and Ferrari knew this immediately after the sprint.

The SF-25 peak performance is when you run the car very low, but not all or should I say, every track is not going to be smooth. Im surprised they had that much plank wear on smooth tarmac this race, not surprised because Ferrari didn’t do long runs on FP1.

Come to tracks like Canada, Austin, or Singapore, yeah that pace is going to practically disappear since you don’t want plank wear or bottom out. Japan we will see the “Real” SF-25 and I can only feel really sorry for Leclerc during the weekend because they might be far off the pace.

[Rodak]

Anyone not think.... if fuel consumption was looking a bit low/marginal surely the fuel monitoring on Charles car could of flagged this and they would of told him to put a more fuel efficient engine map AND charles do more lift and coasting? He was pushing all race, surely some fuel monitoring should of been done.

Engine maps cannot be changed during the race. Once a car enters the track for qualifying the engine map has to remain the same for both qualifying and the race.

[LM10]

This car is second fastest when they get the set up right and not far behind the McLaren, they can take that as a positive along with Lewis' masterclass in the Sprint Pole and Sprint Win but thats about it

No I don’t think that’s the case at all. I can fully understand your optimism but Ferrari reasons for having the 2nd fastest car was when they could run the car quite low to ground compared to other teams, but once you remove that and add in the fears about plank wear, it’s very clear they’re going to have to raise the ride height which greatly impacts performance and Ferrari knew this immediately after the sprint.

The SF-25 peak performance is when you run the car very low, but not all or should I say, every track is not going to be smooth. Im surprised they had that much plank wear on smooth tarmac this race, not surprised because Ferrari didn’t do long runs on FP1.

Come to tracks like Canada, Austin, or Singapore, yeah that pace is going to practically disappear since you don’t want plank wear or bottom out. Japan we will see the “Real” SF-25 and I can only feel really sorry for Leclerc during the weekend because they might be far off the pace.

What in god’s name are you talking about? That’s exactly what I mean when telling that some people without any clue make up things out of thin air. That’s extremely irritating.

[SB15]

This car is second fastest when they get the set up right and not far behind the McLaren, they can take that as a positive along with Lewis' masterclass in the Sprint Pole and Sprint Win but thats about it

No I don’t think that’s the case at all. I can fully understand your optimism but Ferrari reasons for having the 2nd fastest car was when they could run the car quite low to ground compared to other teams, but once you remove that and add in the fears about plank wear, it’s very clear they’re going to have to raise the ride height which greatly impacts performance and Ferrari knew this immediately after the sprint.

The SF-25 peak performance is when you run the car very low, but not all or should I say, every track is not going to be smooth. Im surprised they had that much plank wear on smooth tarmac this race, not surprised because Ferrari didn’t do long runs on FP1.

Come to tracks like Canada, Austin, or Singapore, yeah that pace is going to practically disappear since you don’t want plank wear or bottom out. Japan we will see the “Real” SF-25 and I can only feel really sorry for Leclerc during the weekend because they might be far off the pace.

What in god’s name are you talking about? That’s exactly what I mean when telling that some people without any clue make up things out of thin air. That’s extremely irritating.

What I’m talking about is the story of the moment. I’m not going to make up so asinine story if that wasn’t the case for the car because there no sense for me lying about the situation right now.

Also, yes it is extremely irritating because once again Ferrari are now going to struggle even more than they already are just to make sure their car passes legality checks.

[LM10]

No I don’t think that’s the case at all. I can fully understand your optimism but Ferrari reasons for having the 2nd fastest car was when they could run the car quite low to ground compared to other teams, but once you remove that and add in the fears about plank wear, it’s very clear they’re going to have to raise the ride height which greatly impacts performance and Ferrari knew this immediately after the sprint.

The SF-25 peak performance is when you run the car very low, but not all or should I say, every track is not going to be smooth. Im surprised they had that much plank wear on smooth tarmac this race, not surprised because Ferrari didn’t do long runs on FP1.

Come to tracks like Canada, Austin, or Singapore, yeah that pace is going to practically disappear since you don’t want plank wear or bottom out. Japan we will see the “Real” SF-25 and I can only feel really sorry for Leclerc during the weekend because they might be far off the pace.

What in god’s name are you talking about? That’s exactly what I mean when telling that some people without any clue make up things out of thin air. That’s extremely irritating.

What I’m talking about is the story of the moment. I’m not going to make up so asinine story if that wasn’t the case for the car because there no sense for me lying about the situation right now.

Also, yes it is extremely unlikely irritating because once again Ferrari are now going to struggle even more than they already are just to make sure their car passes legality checks.

You have no proof that Ferrari ran the car lower than any other team. Plank wear does not solely depend on ride height. Suspension setup plays a key role to name just another major factor.
Every team will run their cars as low as possible because that’s the whole physical sense of ground effect cars.

Stop making things up please.

[Matt-A]

The excessive plank wear only occurred on one car. That doesn't suggest a fundamental issue to me.