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AR3-GP wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:22
The long run was quite bad...
Yes it looks like we're 4th fastest

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Max hot lap was quite ok, just in the last corner tyres overheated. On long run they run on softs to test how much they can last. Last laps on it it was Tokyo drift more then everything else. They could try with medium tyres for qualy laps.

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Saw the telemetry on F1-tempo. We are running a lower engine mode. I think the gap between us and Macca might be only 3 tenths not 6 to 7 tenths.
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AR3-GP wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 17:29
Balance looked quite decent in the short run. Very tidy lap except for the last corner. Good in T4, and really good in T13 (which is surprising).
Thanks, didn't watch. So this is the kind of update I was looking for, not reading into laptimes, but the body language.
How does it look through T10 ? Rotating like a walrus or a gazelle ? Or a cow ? How does S2 time look, compared with Mclaren and Mercedes ?

Last corner if not solved will kill the race. Won't be able to defend, won't be able to attack in the longest DRS straight of all.

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Makes you wonder why Red Bull needs such a large flared out exit hole at the back of the engine cover compared to Racing Bulls.
The smaller cannons on the VCARB look like it serves the desired effect of DF from the previous year RB20 while having a tight exit hole around the exhaust. All the other teams have managed a tighter streamlined exit hole.

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venkyhere wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:43
AR3-GP wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 17:29
Balance looked quite decent in the short run. Very tidy lap except for the last corner. Good in T4, and really good in T13 (which is surprising).
Thanks, didn't watch. So this is the kind of update I was looking for, not reading into laptimes, but the body language.
How does it look through T10 ? Rotating like a walrus or a gazelle ? Or a cow ? How does S2 time look, compared with Mclaren and Mercedes ?

Last corner if not solved will kill the race. Won't be able to defend, won't be able to attack in the longest DRS straight of all.
T1: Decent, but lacking some grip.
T2: Unable to open up the entry due to lacking grip at exit of T1.
T4: neutral balance
T8: Wider line through hairpin corner (could be a choice like Japan, or just struggling to slow down)
T10: neutral balance
T11: neutral balance
T13: Strong front
T14: messy

That was for his lap on the softs that was 1 tenth behind Hadjar and 8 tenths behind the Mclaren.
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f1isgood wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:37
Saw the telemetry on F1-tempo. We are running a lower engine mode. I think the gap between us and Macca might be only 3 tenths not 6 to 7 tenths.
Yes, same story as Suzuka. They're running very conservatively in FP2. Losing out a bit too much out of 14, but not sure if it was just due to not being able to hold on to the tires, or if Max made a mistake. George for example had a better run through S3 compared to McLaren.

Still, at the very least, they're in the mix to be the next followers after McLaren (unless picture changes tomorrow)
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AR3-GP wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:54
venkyhere wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:43
AR3-GP wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 17:29
Balance looked quite decent in the short run. Very tidy lap except for the last corner. Good in T4, and really good in T13 (which is surprising).
Thanks, didn't watch. So this is the kind of update I was looking for, not reading into laptimes, but the body language.
How does it look through T10 ? Rotating like a walrus or a gazelle ? Or a cow ? How does S2 time look, compared with Mclaren and Mercedes ?

Last corner if not solved will kill the race. Won't be able to defend, won't be able to attack in the longest DRS straight of all.
T1: Decent, but lacking some grip.
T2: Unable to open up the entry due to lacking grip at exit of T1.
T4: neutral balance
T8: Wider line through hairpin corner (could be a choice like Japan, or just struggling to slow down)
T10: neutral balance
T11: neutral balance
T13: Strong front
T14: messy

That was for his lap on the softs that was 1 tenth behind Hadjar.
Thanks 👍
Beautiful summary. As good as having watched the FP2

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Emag wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:57
f1isgood wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:37
Saw the telemetry on F1-tempo. We are running a lower engine mode. I think the gap between us and Macca might be only 3 tenths not 6 to 7 tenths.
Yes, same story as Suzuka. They're running very conservatively in FP2. Losing out a bit too much out of 14, but not sure if it was just due to not being able to hold on to the tires, or if Max made a mistake. George for example had a better run through S3 compared to McLaren.

Still, at the very least, they're in the mix to be the next followers after McLaren (unless picture changes tomorrow)
Yeah, expect McLaren to be clearly ahead and then have a group of Merc/Ferrari/Red Bull.
Call a spade, a spade.

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AR3-GP wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:54
venkyhere wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 18:43
AR3-GP wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 17:29
Balance looked quite decent in the short run. Very tidy lap except for the last corner. Good in T4, and really good in T13 (which is surprising).
Thanks, didn't watch. So this is the kind of update I was looking for, not reading into laptimes, but the body language.
How does it look through T10 ? Rotating like a walrus or a gazelle ? Or a cow ? How does S2 time look, compared with Mclaren and Mercedes ?

Last corner if not solved will kill the race. Won't be able to defend, won't be able to attack in the longest DRS straight of all.
T1: Decent, but lacking some grip.
T2: Unable to open up the entry due to lacking grip at exit of T1.
T4: neutral balance
T8: Wider line through hairpin corner (could be a choice like Japan, or just struggling to slow down)
T10: neutral balance
T11: neutral balance
T13: Strong front
T14: messy

That was for his lap on the softs that was 1 tenth behind Hadjar and 8 tenths behind the Mclaren.

The thing that really stood out to me compared to previous years is T13. The car looked crazy hooked up there. I just checked the telemetry w/ Norris and confirmed it was a very good corner as Max gained 1 tenth there.

https://i.postimg.cc/nrbF0ySD/image.png
Don't compare with Lando, I think he killed the tires and didn't have grip in T13 and T14. Oscar was much better in T13 and T14 :

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Emag wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 19:01


Don't compare with Lando, I think he killed the tires and didn't have grip in T13 and T14. Oscar was much better in T13 and T14 :

https://i.imgur.com/39tKPl7.png
Thanks, for some reason I assumed Norris did the faster lap. He did not...

T13 did look good though, compared to RB18,RB19,RB20. The McLarens can't be helped.
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I'm not seeing any engine mode here. Only straight line losses are before and after T14, which can be explained by McLaren running less wing and Verstappen having a poor exit on the final corner. RB usually run lower engine on Friday, but since this is the only representative session they may have turned it up today, at least on the short run. On the long run it's still conservative. Deg is high, brakes were sh*t, balance was off in some corners, so still a lot of time to find on both short and long.

Oh, and Tsunoda is in for a ride I think.

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Red Bull saved all their sets of hard tires so far. Mclaren/Ferrari/Mercedes have used 1 set of hards each.

I think Red Bull will just ditch the softs and do M-H-H in the race.
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Cs98 wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 19:07
I'm not seeing any engine mode here. Only straight line losses are before and after T14, which can be explained by McLaren running less wing and Verstappen having a poor exit on the final corner. RB usually run lower engine on Friday, but since this is the only representative session they may have turned it up today, at least on the short run. On the long run it's still conservative. Deg is high, brakes were sh*t, balance was off in some corners, so still a lot of time to find on both short and long.

Oh, and Tsunoda is in for a ride I think.
Racingbulls is turned up earlier. Exactly same pattern as previous races. That they are up high is a good sign.

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Sieper wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 19:13
Cs98 wrote:
11 Apr 2025, 19:07
I'm not seeing any engine mode here. Only straight line losses are before and after T14, which can be explained by McLaren running less wing and Verstappen having a poor exit on the final corner. RB usually run lower engine on Friday, but since this is the only representative session they may have turned it up today, at least on the short run. On the long run it's still conservative. Deg is high, brakes were sh*t, balance was off in some corners, so still a lot of time to find on both short and long.

Oh, and Tsunoda is in for a ride I think.
Racingbulls is turned up earlier. Exactly same pattern as previous races. That they are up high is a good sign.
Racing Bulls is running a lower DF wing than Max was, hence the speed difference. There's no actual acceleration difference though.