2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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The Race says that Horner has had informal discussions with Russell and that if Verstappen is not in the top 2 of the WDC by the summer break, he can release himself.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/coul ... ket-shock/

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And go where?

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bluechris wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:30
And go where?
Um sounds like a straight swap with Russell would be a possibility. Russell's out of contract in '26 which works nicely for red bull if Verstappen were to leave

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organic wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:30
bluechris wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:30
And go where?
Um sounds like a straight swap with Russell would be a possibility
Nah i don't bite that, is a risk for Max to go to MB. RB even if he lost Newey still has the DNA to be better in aero. I don't remember MB to be good in this except the years of their engine domination where they where bolting dornbarn wings because they had extra power. Who is to say that from 2026 they will achieve the same in engine? To me all ICE will be almost equal and the game will be played in the electric stuff where MB is not the best.
Bottom line i don't see a reason for Max to leave before 2027 if somehow RB botch everything.

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bluechris wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:36
organic wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:30
bluechris wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:30
And go where?
Um sounds like a straight swap with Russell would be a possibility
Nah i don't bite that, is a risk for Max to go to MB. RB even if he lost Newey still has the DNA to be better in aero. I don't remember MB to be good in this except the years of their engine domination where they where bolting dornbarn wings because they had extra power. Who is to say that from 2026 they will achieve the same in engine? To me all ICE will be almost equal and the game will be played in the electric stuff where MB is not the best.
Bottom line i don't see a reason for Max to leave before 2027 if somehow RB botch everything.
Merc are the only engine manufacturer that's against changes to the current regulations. All of the others are either pushing for changes like Red Bull or 'open to negotiation' like Ferrari. Not only should this tell you a lot, but it directly lines up with the rumours that Merc are very happy with their engine.

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organic wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:30
bluechris wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:30
And go where?
Um sounds like a straight swap with Russell would be a possibility. Russell's out of contract in '26 which works nicely for red bull if Verstappen were to leave
Max is not happy with F1 these days, he is a racer and he doesnt have to do it for the money, who knows
maybe he is not going to another team but leave F1, I followed him from his days with the Frits van Amerongen team in F3, but he is not happy with the FIA nowadays. I hope he will be racing for a couple of years in F1. He is sensational. But if he leaves and join let’s say WEC, than at least the tickets are a lot cheaper;)

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organic wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 13:38
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22 Apr 2025, 13:31
Will upgrades come in Miami or only Imola ? I've seen different indications so far.
Same. I think it's expected that there are parts in both but the aero upgrades are primarily brought @ Imola.
I can't find the quote/article. But I remember reading about some mechanical parts are expected in Miami (cake tin, possible rear suspension?) and then aero (new floor confirmed) for Imola. (and allegedly we had the internal rearrangement in Jeddah)
Only found about Marko saying that there will be small bits every race until Imola, where he expects to have the pace to match/beat McLaren.
It makes sense to introduce them in smaller bits and check correlation along the way.

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A Max-George swap is perfectly reasonable, all things considered.

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organic wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:38
bluechris wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:36
organic wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 19:30


Um sounds like a straight swap with Russell would be a possibility
Nah i don't bite that, is a risk for Max to go to MB. RB even if he lost Newey still has the DNA to be better in aero. I don't remember MB to be good in this except the years of their engine domination where they where bolting dornbarn wings because they had extra power. Who is to say that from 2026 they will achieve the same in engine? To me all ICE will be almost equal and the game will be played in the electric stuff where MB is not the best.
Bottom line i don't see a reason for Max to leave before 2027 if somehow RB botch everything.
Merc are the only engine manufacturer that's against changes to the current regulations. All of the others are either pushing for changes like Red Bull or 'open to negotiation' like Ferrari. Not only should this tell you a lot, but it directly lines up with the rumours that Merc are very happy with their engine.
RB wants a good show and Ferrari is more interested in promoting their ICE to sell more cars. So it also aligns from that perspective.

Also the rumours came up when Toto was interested in Verstappen.

It is still likely the case RB is behind, but there could be other explanations as well.

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euv2 wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 10:45
https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/helmu ... /10715794/
"We were surprised, but positively surprised," Marko said afterwards in the paddock of Jeddah about the race pace. "Compared to Bahrain, we have made a lot of progress, although this circuit also suits us better. Here you have a lot more fast corners and different asphalt, which helped us," Marko acknowledges
"We are making steps and trying to make the car more predictable. We are also working on giving the car a larger window." "We are taking small steps. "I think we should be in a position around Imola where we have the speed to beat the McLarens," Marko said quite optimistically
"Well, fortunately the race is not around lunch and normally the sun goes down. We have to see how it goes there and if we can find more performance, but I normally think we can be competitive there as well."
Finally, some optimism, the upgrades looked like they worked which is hopefully giving the team more confidence that the step by step updates in MIA and IMO are going to work too.

Horner has already explained that Red Bull did not know how to find that in Bahrain, making the picture look particularly bad, and that the optimal window prior to qualifying in Jeddah has been found for that circuit.
Also, this quote from Horner was interesting, it was just 1 track in JED but the correlation/setup was good for the 1st time in a long time, the team wasn't lost in FP1 and FP2.

This is the comments that I was looking for after the race. Interesting.
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Sergej wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 20:34
A Max-George swap is perfectly reasonable, all things considered.
Why should Russel go to RBR?
Current Red Bull isn’t better than the Mercedes and we all feel that 2026 will be a disaster for Red Bull

So what is likely: Max is doing an incredible job being the absolute best driver on the grid. Despite that it will be a 2012 Alonso like season for him I think..
And in 26 he will still be here but car could be worst.

So in 27? Go to Aston if they deliver in 26 to replace ALO?
Go to Ferrari if they deliver to replace HAM ?
Or why not Mercedes also, if they deliver.

Anyway I think he will decide looking at 26 results not before. And I think it will be a decision to leave Red Bull

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There’s no indication that Max is leaving Red Bull even if his contract allows him to do so. He himself said you don’t run at the first hurdle.

Mintzlaff already said that Max will be there. Horner said Max will be there. Toto said unequivocally that Kimi and George are his drivers. Max is for another time, if any.

They are just writing for clicks and distraction, as Horner said.
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Jambier wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 22:10
Sergej wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 20:34
A Max-George swap is perfectly reasonable, all things considered.
Why should Russel go to RBR?
Current Red Bull isn’t better than the Mercedes and we all feel that 2026 will be a disaster for Red Bull
I don't think Russell particularly wants to go to RedBull, but it might be his best option if he finds himself out of Mercedes.

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Paa wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 22:17
Jambier wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 22:10
Sergej wrote:
22 Apr 2025, 20:34
A Max-George swap is perfectly reasonable, all things considered.
Why should Russel go to RBR?
Current Red Bull isn’t better than the Mercedes and we all feel that 2026 will be a disaster for Red Bull
I don't think Russell particularly wants to go to RedBull, but it might be his best option if he finds himself out of Mercedes.
Why RB will want Russel really? I mean what he has shown in comparison to Max and i don't speak for championships now. He is above average and that's it, Max is a generation talent and can only be replaced with an equal or a bit less equal like Leclerc for example.
I really don't get all the praise for Russel really and i like the guy but he needs to show some exceptional driving to up his status.