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but I think it explains why he was so mad after the race, it wasn't just a lost win for him.Mclaren wouldn’t be saying it won’t change anything if it was going to change anything because if they are nowhere come Spain, they lose all credibility. Red Bulls’s opinion doesn’t really matter because they don’t know how the Mclaren car works. It was interesting that Leclerc, Russell, and Hamilton also made some comments about Spain though suggesting to expect a change in the pecking order…but it may be a case of competitors being wishful. They had also hoped that several TDs would hobble Red Bull in the past.
I personally don't expect too much from the TD. 1.5 tenths relative pace change at most.AR3-GP wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 22:46Mclaren wouldn’t be saying it won’t change anything if it was going to change anything because if they are nowhere come Spain, they lose all credibility. Red Bulls’s opinion doesn’t really matter because they don’t know how the Mclaren car works. It was interesting that Leclerc, Russell, and Hamilton also made some comments about Spain though suggesting to expect a change in the pecking order…but it may be a case of competitors being wishful. They had also hoped that several TDs would hobble Red Bull in the past.
But also, Mclaren was very cagey about mini-drs last year so they are very sensitive about PR. They claimed that it was the goodness of their own hearts that made them decided to remove the mini-drs.
Wasn't this just an article by The Race where they suggested McLaren might have been hindered? There is no statement from any official party that confirms McLaren had to make any changes for the China TD. Conveniently, I cannot find the article from The Race now. Did they remove it?Paa wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 22:58I personally don't expect too much from the TD. 1.5 tenths relative pace change at most.AR3-GP wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 22:46Mclaren wouldn’t be saying it won’t change anything if it was going to change anything because if they are nowhere come Spain, they lose all credibility. Red Bulls’s opinion doesn’t really matter because they don’t know how the Mclaren car works. It was interesting that Leclerc, Russell, and Hamilton also made some comments about Spain though suggesting to expect a change in the pecking order…but it may be a case of competitors being wishful. They had also hoped that several TDs would hobble Red Bull in the past.
But also, Mclaren was very cagey about mini-drs last year so they are very sensitive about PR. They claimed that it was the goodness of their own hearts that made them decided to remove the mini-drs.
With that I don't take McLaren's word for granted. Just few weeks ago they said that they didn't have to change anything regarding their rear wing at race2, then FIA suggested they indeed had to.
I also remember Ferrari never admitting that TD39 hit them, while it was pretty obvious. Same with qualy mods for engines, oil burning etc. All teams confirm everytime that they are not affected, and then we see that some team indeed are affected. Sometimes marginally, sometimes heavily.
What I really don't understand, that when Spain changes were announced sometime during winterbreak, then Red Bull and Horner seemed upset about it. Why? Maybe they were angry because it was coming delayed at race9, instead of the start of the season? It is very confusing. Mixed signals everywhere.
I find this interesting too, we know that Mercedes and Ferrari ran a flexi front wing in 2024, so how will the new test in Spain not affect them too if at all?AR3-GP wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 22:46Mclaren wouldn’t be saying it won’t change anything if it was going to change anything because if they are nowhere come Spain, they lose all credibility. Red Bulls’s opinion doesn’t really matter because they don’t know how the Mclaren car works. It was interesting that Leclerc, Russell, and Hamilton also made some comments about Spain though suggesting to expect a change in the pecking order …but it may be a case of competitors being wishful. They had also hoped that several TDs would hobble Red Bull in the past.
But also, Mclaren was very cagey about mini-drs last year so they are very sensitive about PR. They claimed that it was the goodness of their own hearts that made them decided to remove the mini-drs.
The change is only reducing the flexibility by 5mm at the specified load. I would guess it’s worth 1 tenth (average) at most. Mclaren will have to make more compromises because the car will be either draggier with the same wing load or they lose some front downforce in order to maintain straight line speed.
McLaren wasn't named, but Tombazis said that 4-5 teams had to change their rear wings, while only 2 admitted openly (Haas, Alpine). So McLaren was not named, but it doesn't change my point, that teams are not fully open/honest about these things as less than half of them admitted they had to make changes.Emag wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 23:13
Wasn't this just an article by The Race where they suggested McLaren might have been hindered? There is no statement from any official party that confirms McLaren had to make any changes for the China TD. Conveniently, I cannot find the article from The Race now. Did they remove it?
Yes it seems like The Race have removed their speculative article then. 4-5 isn't even an exact number so it's far from a real confirmation. I would refrain from using assumption-based statements as source of truth. We don't know if McLaren had to make any changes or not, we only know they said they didn't need to. Nothing else from any of the involved parties was said.Paa wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 23:45McLaren wasn't named, but Tombazis said that 4-5 teams had to change their rear wings, while only 2 admitted openly (Haas, Alpine). So McLaren was not named, but it doesn't change my point, that teams are not fully open/honest about these things as less than half of them admitted they had to make changes.Emag wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 23:13
Wasn't this just an article by The Race where they suggested McLaren might have been hindered? There is no statement from any official party that confirms McLaren had to make any changes for the China TD. Conveniently, I cannot find the article from The Race now. Did they remove it?
https://racingnews365.com/revealed-the- ... -clampdown
Maybe they understand the significance of it because they have taken advantage of it. Mercedes has had their serpent wing since 2023 I feel. Ferrari brought their own in COTA last year. However they could feel their implementation is a cheap imitation of the Mclaren wing so when the playing field is leveled they hope to gain some ground.CjC wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 23:39I find this interesting too, we know that Mercedes and Ferrari ran a flexi front wing in 2024, so how will the new test in Spain not affect them too if at all?AR3-GP wrote: ↑23 Apr 2025, 22:46Mclaren wouldn’t be saying it won’t change anything if it was going to change anything because if they are nowhere come Spain, they lose all credibility. Red Bulls’s opinion doesn’t really matter because they don’t know how the Mclaren car works. It was interesting that Leclerc, Russell, and Hamilton also made some comments about Spain though suggesting to expect a change in the pecking order …but it may be a case of competitors being wishful. They had also hoped that several TDs would hobble Red Bull in the past.
But also, Mclaren was very cagey about mini-drs last year so they are very sensitive about PR. They claimed that it was the goodness of their own hearts that made them decided to remove the mini-drs.
The change is only reducing the flexibility by 5mm at the specified load. I would guess it’s worth 1 tenth (average) at most. Mclaren will have to make more compromises because the car will be either draggier with the same wing load or they lose some front downforce in order to maintain straight line speed.