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Both cars will run the update package for the rest of the weekend. While it didn't feel huge from the TV perhaps that could mean they determined it to be an upgrade

The updates went to Lance's car, not Fernando's, because senior officials decided to do so. There was no flipping of a coin like in 2023 or 2024.
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KimiRai wrote:
17 May 2025, 11:11
Both cars will run the update package for the rest of the weekend. They must have determined it was an upgrade then (even if it didn't feel huge from the TV so far)

The updates went to Lance's car, not Fernando's, because senior officials decided to do so. There was no flipping of a coin like in 2023 or 2024.
Senior officials can sit on a stick and swivel as far as im concerned. Anyway wishing Alonso good fortune.

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RedNEO wrote:
17 May 2025, 11:43
KimiRai wrote:
17 May 2025, 11:11
Both cars will run the update package for the rest of the weekend. They must have determined it was an upgrade then (even if it didn't feel huge from the TV so far)

The updates went to Lance's car, not Fernando's, because senior officials decided to do so. There was no flipping of a coin like in 2023 or 2024.
Senior officials can sit on a stick and swivel as far as im concerned. Anyway wishing Alonso good fortune.
Could it be to take out of the equation the great adaptability that Alonso has?

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BassVirolla wrote:
17 May 2025, 12:10
RedNEO wrote:
17 May 2025, 11:43
KimiRai wrote:
17 May 2025, 11:11
Both cars will run the update package for the rest of the weekend. They must have determined it was an upgrade then (even if it didn't feel huge from the TV so far)

The updates went to Lance's car, not Fernando's, because senior officials decided to do so. There was no flipping of a coin like in 2023 or 2024.
Senior officials can sit on a stick and swivel as far as im concerned. Anyway wishing Alonso good fortune.
Could it be to take out of the equation the great adaptability that Alonso has?
Certainly feels like they are going out of their way to advantage Lance and give Alonso as little help and time as possible unlike 2024,2023 where it was balanced. This is not that for sure.

But let’s play devils advocate and assume it’s because Alonso is too adaptable and thats not just a PR answer. Why not communicate that to the driver instead of leaving him in the dark? And did they really need two sessions to establish whether an update was good or not?

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Alonso did good time on Hard than on soft only improved 0.5 sec
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GoranF1 wrote:
17 May 2025, 13:20
Alonso did good time on Hard than on soft only improved 0.5 sec
softs are a step softer this year. everyone seems to be struggling apart from mclaren. mediums which were last years softs is the best tyre

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RedNEO wrote:
17 May 2025, 12:18
BassVirolla wrote:
17 May 2025, 12:10
RedNEO wrote:
17 May 2025, 11:43


Senior officials can sit on a stick and swivel as far as im concerned. Anyway wishing Alonso good fortune.
Could it be to take out of the equation the great adaptability that Alonso has?
Certainly feels like they are going out of their way to advantage Lance and give Alonso as little help and time as possible unlike 2024,2023 where it was balanced. This is not that for sure.

But let’s play devils advocate and assume it’s because Alonso is too adaptable and thats not just a PR answer. Why not communicate that to the driver instead of leaving him in the dark? And did they really need two sessions to establish whether an update was good or not?
You guys sound like Stroll and Alonso are 1 and 2 in the drivers championship while ...."According to Alonso, there is currently no major pressure. The season is already written off anyway. Now it's just a matter of optimizing the processes and learning as much as possible for the coming year. "

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diffuser wrote:
17 May 2025, 13:29
RedNEO wrote:
17 May 2025, 12:18
BassVirolla wrote:
17 May 2025, 12:10


Could it be to take out of the equation the great adaptability that Alonso has?
Certainly feels like they are going out of their way to advantage Lance and give Alonso as little help and time as possible unlike 2024,2023 where it was balanced. This is not that for sure.

But let’s play devils advocate and assume it’s because Alonso is too adaptable and thats not just a PR answer. Why not communicate that to the driver instead of leaving him in the dark? And did they really need two sessions to establish whether an update was good or not?
You guys sound like Stroll and Alonso are 1 and 2 in the drivers championship while ...."According to Alonso, there is currently no major pressure. The season is already written off anyway. Now it's just a matter of optimizing the processes and learning as much as possible for the coming year. "
If a driver feels a team is not 💯 behind them it can affect them. If you don’t think this will affect motivation and in turn performance then you don’t understand psychology. If it doesn’t matter then why do it in the first place instead of keeping things equal when there’s nothing to fight for? It’s nonsensical. Alonso is strong mentally so he’ll put on a brave face but a part of him will feel betrayed.

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RedNEO wrote:
17 May 2025, 13:49
diffuser wrote:
17 May 2025, 13:29
RedNEO wrote:
17 May 2025, 12:18


Certainly feels like they are going out of their way to advantage Lance and give Alonso as little help and time as possible unlike 2024,2023 where it was balanced. This is not that for sure.

But let’s play devils advocate and assume it’s because Alonso is too adaptable and thats not just a PR answer. Why not communicate that to the driver instead of leaving him in the dark? And did they really need two sessions to establish whether an update was good or not?
You guys sound like Stroll and Alonso are 1 and 2 in the drivers championship while ...."According to Alonso, there is currently no major pressure. The season is already written off anyway. Now it's just a matter of optimizing the processes and learning as much as possible for the coming year. "
If a driver feels a team is not 💯 behind them it can affect them. If you don’t think this will affect motivation and in turn performance then you don’t understand psychology. If it doesn’t matter then why do it in the first place instead of keeping things equal when there’s nothing to fight for? It’s nonsensical. Alonso is strong mentally so he’ll put on a brave face but a part of him will feel betrayed.
I really don’t buy into that.

Since Alonso joined AM F1, they've been alternating who tests the upgrades first. Every time it’s not him, SOME people from his camp try to spin it into some kind of betrayal. But when he is the one to try them, it’s all of a sudden, “Oh, look, they’re smart! He’s the better driver!”

Let’s be real here—it’s just a matter of taking turns. There’s nothing more to read into it.

Alonso is 43, not 10. He’s not going to sulk just because he doesn’t test the NEW parts first.

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I posted pics over on AMR25 comparing the upgrades to the initial images released by AM F1. The new car looks more like the initial images than the Pre-Imola car did. Have they been sitting on these upgrades since February ?

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SSJ4 wrote:
17 May 2025, 13:21
GoranF1 wrote:
17 May 2025, 13:20
Alonso did good time on Hard than on soft only improved 0.5 sec
softs are a step softer this year. everyone seems to be struggling apart from mclaren. mediums which were last years softs is the best tyre
Yeah, unnecessary from Pirelli. It’s more of a question who nurses the Pirelli rubber best than who has the faster car. Not that I am saying AMR is fast, have no idea. But tyres shouldn’t play the main role.

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diffuser wrote:
17 May 2025, 14:34
I posted pics over on AMR25 comparing the upgrades to the initial images released by AM F1. The new car looks more like the initial images than the Pre-Imola car did. Have they been sitting on these upgrades since February ?
I heard Eric Blandin on Sky F1, he said the package was built on the Mercedes wind tunnel and then they decided to wait for the new tunnel to run the new package on it, so probably yes, the updates had been ready for quite a while.

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diffuser wrote:
17 May 2025, 14:18
RedNEO wrote:
17 May 2025, 13:49
diffuser wrote:
17 May 2025, 13:29


You guys sound like Stroll and Alonso are 1 and 2 in the drivers championship while ...."According to Alonso, there is currently no major pressure. The season is already written off anyway. Now it's just a matter of optimizing the processes and learning as much as possible for the coming year. "
If a driver feels a team is not 💯 behind them it can affect them. If you don’t think this will affect motivation and in turn performance then you don’t understand psychology. If it doesn’t matter then why do it in the first place instead of keeping things equal when there’s nothing to fight for? It’s nonsensical. Alonso is strong mentally so he’ll put on a brave face but a part of him will feel betrayed.
I really don’t buy into that.

Since Alonso joined AM F1, they've been alternating who tests the upgrades first. Every time it’s not him, SOME people from his camp try to spin it into some kind of betrayal. But when he is the one to try them, it’s all of a sudden, “Oh, look, they’re smart! He’s the better driver!”

Let’s be real here—it’s just a matter of taking turns. There’s nothing more to read into it.

Alonso is 43, not 10. He’s not going to sulk just because he doesn’t test the NEW parts first.
You completely missed the point. This isn’t about if he tests it first. It’s about if he gets a chance to test it in FP2 and he didn’t which was completely unnecessary.

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We'll see what happens. By the way, those soft tires are enough to put Pirelli in jail.
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One less car to beat to get into Q2!