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[RedNEO]

The consensus is clear. Alonso did well to salvage anything from a strategy that left him playing catch up while Lance takes advantage of being behind. Not a good look for Aston Martin that their strategy on one car leaves it behind the car behind on several occasions now.

There is a HUGE element of luck in those decisions. When you're the first to pit in the wet, you have no data that you're basing that decision on. Alonso and AM F1 both chose to pit when they did and it turned out to be a lap or 2 too early.

I agree, they could have been on the podium had they made the calls right but that also means that 12 or 13 other cars could have been on the podium if they made their calls right and they didn't make the right call either.

You guys have to be realistic, races like this are a bit of a lottery. You run that same race 10 times I bet you end up with 10 different cars on that last step of the podium.

Perhaps you should take a look at what other teams did with strategy. Mercedes treated their drivers fairly and so did McLaren and Ferrari when pitting. It’s not rocket science.. all Aston Martin had to do was have enough foresight to see pitting Lance for inters (who had already come in once before for dry tyres) before Alonso wasn’t going to make any sense except for swapping them round since rain was coming and they could gain more by doing a double stack. Not really sure what excuse you can use for them because they did the right thing for the car behind but not the car ahead.

[Rockypeeters]

Realistically, the car is just ready to fight for the midfield leadership. Today, a podium was possible, but just because several fast cars had troubles. Alo showed his mastery in last stint, overtaking cars in the same tyre conditions and slippery track, scoring a couple race fastest laps. Then the tyres died.

Now, that's way better than the car was before Imola. So at least upgrades are not downgrades. And that is good, mates. That's hope, in the lack of anything else.

I still feel his start was very poor and pace in the wet first half of the race was poor also.

[diffuser]

The consensus is clear. Alonso did well to salvage anything from a strategy that left him playing catch up while Lance takes advantage of being behind. Not a good look for Aston Martin that their strategy on one car leaves it behind the car behind on several occasions now.

There is a HUGE element of luck in those decisions. When you're the first to pit in the wet, you have no data that you're basing that decision on. Alonso and AM F1 both chose to pit when they did and it turned out to be a lap or 2 too early.

I agree, they could have been on the podium had they made the calls right but that also means that 12 or 13 other cars could have been on the podium if they made their calls right and they didn't make the right call either.

You guys have to be realistic, races like this are a bit of a lottery. You run that same race 10 times I bet you end up with 10 different cars on that last step of the podium.

You'd imagine given the intel right at AMR HQ when it was raining hard already, they should have been more confident to double stack the cars on the same lap, given Alonso was quite far in front of Stroll anyway at that point, rather than pit Stroll one lap earlier

I think they were surprised by how much faster the new set of inters were. There was no talk of pitting by either Alonso or the team. The plan was to drive through the heavy rain with the inters they had. Alonso's engineer said "Alonso, you'll let us know if the rain is too much for these inters? That you might go off". I think then Alonso just said "Ok". There was silence till they got to turn 15 and the engineer came on and said " Follow the guys ahead into the pit." Alonso replied "Copy".

[RedNEO]

There is a HUGE element of luck in those decisions. When you're the first to pit in the wet, you have no data that you're basing that decision on. Alonso and AM F1 both chose to pit when they did and it turned out to be a lap or 2 too early.

I agree, they could have been on the podium had they made the calls right but that also means that 12 or 13 other cars could have been on the podium if they made their calls right and they didn't make the right call either.

You guys have to be realistic, races like this are a bit of a lottery. You run that same race 10 times I bet you end up with 10 different cars on that last step of the podium.

You'd imagine given the intel right at AMR HQ when it was raining hard already, they should have been more confident to double stack the cars on the same lap, given Alonso was quite far in front of Stroll anyway at that point, rather than pit Stroll one lap earlier

I think they were surprised by how much faster the new set of inters were. There was no talk of pitting by either Alonso or the team. The plan was to drive through the heavy rain with the inters they had. Alonso's engineer said "Alonso, you'll let us know if the rain is too much for these inters? That you might go off". I think then Alonso just said "Ok". There was silence till they got to turn 15 and the engineer came on and said " Follow the guys ahead into the pit." Alonso replied "Copy".

Alonso is driving he can’t see all the data. It shouldn’t be on him to realise that more rain is coming and the team is pitting his team mate behind him first on new inters in anticipation of that. Not much synergy if that kind of thing keeps happening again and again to the car ahead

[Sedaxel]

Realistically, the car is just ready to fight for the midfield leadership. Today, a podium was possible, but just because several fast cars had troubles. Alo showed his mastery in last stint, overtaking cars in the same tyre conditions and slippery track, scoring a couple race fastest laps. Then the tyres died.

Now, that's way better than the car was before Imola. So at least upgrades are not downgrades. And that is good, mates. That's hope, in the lack of anything else.

I still feel his start was very poor and pace in the wet first half of the race was poor also.

He was behind Gasly. I don't think he could do much on that situation. The rest of the race was good. He overtook a Mercedes (yeah, Russel was on hards though), easily overtook Albon and opened a 3s gap easily in same tyres and conditions... So I think the car (well, and Alo's hands) was decent today.

It was every other circumstances what ruined his race.

EDIT: and he made a couple race fastest laps in the same conditions as almost every car on track (or even a little worse ones, since his mediums was 3 or 4 laps older).

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Awful strategy at the beginning. Then pitted at least 4/5 laps too early at the end so had worn tyres. Lance softs fell off a cliff as well but he pitted way later. So no idea

Doesn't matter if they pit later or earlier, the car wasn't fast in wet or dry conditions. The upgrades (if any) not really noticeable. Hulk was much faster...

Honestly ookig at the data, It's pretty clear the car was faster than the Sauber by atleast by 0.500 tenths (Sauber just has better tyre wear but that only helps in heavy wear tracks like spain silverstpne and the next one being hingary but thats abiut it) looking at Alonso pace, but Alonso had all the bad strategy and pitstops that dropped him way behind Galsy in the first stop and way to early for slicks he laptop 15 seconds and made up 20 so yeah. Stroll is just ---. If Alonso got the right call he would have easily been on the podium. (However the car did eat into the intermediates a bit more but that's been a characteristic of this team since 2020 so yeah but the car has pace. It's now upto the drivers and strategy.)

By half sec? Man we wasn't watch the same f1...

[diffuser]

The consensus is clear. Alonso did well to salvage anything from a strategy that left him playing catch up while Lance takes advantage of being behind. Not a good look for Aston Martin that their strategy on one car leaves it behind the car behind on several occasions now.

There is a HUGE element of luck in those decisions. When you're the first to pit in the wet, you have no data that you're basing that decision on. Alonso and AM F1 both chose to pit when they did and it turned out to be a lap or 2 too early.

I agree, they could have been on the podium had they made the calls right but that also means that 12 or 13 other cars could have been on the podium if they made their calls right and they didn't make the right call either.

You guys have to be realistic, races like this are a bit of a lottery. You run that same race 10 times I bet you end up with 10 different cars on that last step of the podium.

Perhaps you should take a look at what other teams did with strategy. Mercedes treated their drivers fairly and so did McLaren and Ferrari when pitting. It’s not rocket science.. all Aston Martin had to do was have enough foresight to see pitting Lance for inters (who had already come in once before for dry tyres) before Alonso wasn’t going to make any sense except for swapping them round since rain was coming and they could gain more by doing a double stack. Not really sure what excuse you can use for them because they did the right thing for the car behind but not the car ahead.

You're just looking at the results, not how those results came about.

Because Russell and Antonelli had dry tires on, they were going slow and there was this 24 sec Gap from Stroll to them. Stroll lost 1 position pitting when he did. Alonso would have lost 8. Stroll also ends up in clear air while Alonso would have ended up in Ocon's air. So ALonso just couldn't make use of the dry tires. it was a gamble in case it stayed dry. Then of course it started raining, so he had to pit, he couldn't stay on dry tires in the rain. He just got lucky that the new inters were that much faster than the used.

[RedNEO]

There is a HUGE element of luck in those decisions. When you're the first to pit in the wet, you have no data that you're basing that decision on. Alonso and AM F1 both chose to pit when they did and it turned out to be a lap or 2 too early.

I agree, they could have been on the podium had they made the calls right but that also means that 12 or 13 other cars could have been on the podium if they made their calls right and they didn't make the right call either.

You guys have to be realistic, races like this are a bit of a lottery. You run that same race 10 times I bet you end up with 10 different cars on that last step of the podium.

Perhaps you should take a look at what other teams did with strategy. Mercedes treated their drivers fairly and so did McLaren and Ferrari when pitting. It’s not rocket science.. all Aston Martin had to do was have enough foresight to see pitting Lance for inters (who had already come in once before for dry tyres) before Alonso wasn’t going to make any sense except for swapping them round since rain was coming and they could gain more by doing a double stack. Not really sure what excuse you can use for them because they did the right thing for the car behind but not the car ahead.

You're just looking at the results, not how those results came about.

Because Russell and Antonelli had dry tires on, they were going slow and there was this 24 sec Gap from Stroll to them. Stroll lost 1 position pitting when he did. Alonso would have lost 8. Stroll also ends up in clear air while Alonso would have ended up in Ocon's air. So ALonso just couldn't make use of the dry tires.

You made a whole paragraph about something I wasn’t talking about. I wasn’t talking about the first stop where stroll came in for slick softs. I talking about the second stop when Lance got new inters one lap before Alonso when there was clearly room to double stack. Alonso would have come out on the podium and Lance not too far behind. Just a boneheaded strategy if you want to call it that being polite on Alonso’s side of the garage

[SSJ4]

Worst thing about the race is the lack of data which would be available from the face because of the conditions. No idea if upgrades helped much or not

[diffuser]

Perhaps you should take a look at what other teams did with strategy. Mercedes treated their drivers fairly and so did McLaren and Ferrari when pitting. It’s not rocket science.. all Aston Martin had to do was have enough foresight to see pitting Lance for inters (who had already come in once before for dry tyres) before Alonso wasn’t going to make any sense except for swapping them round since rain was coming and they could gain more by doing a double stack. Not really sure what excuse you can use for them because they did the right thing for the car behind but not the car ahead.

You're just looking at the results, not how those results came about.

Because Russell and Antonelli had dry tires on, they were going slow and there was this 24 sec Gap from Stroll to them. Stroll lost 1 position pitting when he did. Alonso would have lost 8. Stroll also ends up in clear air while Alonso would have ended up in Ocon's air. So ALonso just couldn't make use of the dry tires.

You made a whole paragraph about something I wasn’t talking about. I wasn’t talking about the first stop where stroll came in for slick softs. I talking about the second stop when Lance got new inters one lap before Alonso when there was clearly room to double stack. Alonso would have come out on the podium and Lance not too far behind. Just a boneheaded strategy if you want to call it that being polite on Alonso’s side of the garage

On that stop, Alonso stopped on the same Lap as the guys in front. That is Piastri, Max, Norris, Hamilton and Gasly.

[RedNEO]

You're just looking at the results, not how those results came about.

Because Russell and Antonelli had dry tires on, they were going slow and there was this 24 sec Gap from Stroll to them. Stroll lost 1 position pitting when he did. Alonso would have lost 8. Stroll also ends up in clear air while Alonso would have ended up in Ocon's air. So ALonso just couldn't make use of the dry tires.

You made a whole paragraph about something I wasn’t talking about. I wasn’t talking about the first stop where stroll came in for slick softs. I talking about the second stop when Lance got new inters one lap before Alonso when there was clearly room to double stack. Alonso would have come out on the podium and Lance not too far behind. Just a boneheaded strategy if you want to call it that being polite on Alonso’s side of the garage

On that stop, Alonso stopped the same Lap as the guys in front. That is Piastri, Max, Norris, Hamilton and Gasly.

And Aston stopped Lance who was 6-7 seconds behind Alonso the lap before. Do you get my point? Aston had enough foresight to see they could jump cars with only one car but left Alonso to be the cars that they jumped like they are racing Alonso. They left Alonso out to dry on worn inters while Lance pitted again when the rain was pouring. It would have changed nothing for Lance’s pit time if Alonso pitted before Lance but it would have catapulted Alonso ahead of a few cars he was behind. Ultimately gained AM more points

[diffuser]

You made a whole paragraph about something I wasn’t talking about. I wasn’t talking about the first stop where stroll came in for slick softs. I talking about the second stop when Lance got new inters one lap before Alonso when there was clearly room to double stack. Alonso would have come out on the podium and Lance not too far behind. Just a boneheaded strategy if you want to call it that being polite on Alonso’s side of the garage

On that stop, Alonso stopped the same Lap as the guys in front. That is Piastri, Max, Norris, Hamilton and Gasly.

And Aston stopped Lance who was 6-7 seconds behind Alonso the lap before. Do you get my point? Aston had enough foresight to see they could jump cars with only one car but left Alonso to be the cars that they jumped like they are racing Alonso. They left Alonso out to dry while Lance pitted again first for no reason but to just copy the others? Guess what the other teams are not AM so comparing oranges to apples makes no sense. It would have changed nothing for Lance’s pit time if Alonso pitted before Lance but it would have catapulted Alonso ahead of a few cars he was behind. Ultimately gained AM more points

On that stop, Alonso stopped on the same Lap as the guys in front. That is Piastri, Max, Norris, Hamilton and Gasly. Like I ALSO SAID. They ONLY pitted Stroll the lap before cause he was on dry tires and couldn't run them in the rain. Stroll got lucky. If it had started rain 1 or 2 turns before, Stroll could have found himself off the track.

[diffuser]

@RedNEO You keep thinking that it was a a evil plan to favour Lance, when it was just luck.

[RedNEO]

Sure they took a “lucky” gamble pitting Lance onto new inters when it was clearly raining but lucky Alonso gets to stay out on worn tyres. Thanks AM great work

[RedNEO]

@RedNEO You keep thinking that it was a a evil plan to favour Lance, when it was just luck.

You called it that not me but it’s clearly ridiculous to call it lucky when it wasn’t. The rain was coming and they pitted Lance first despite being capable of a double stack. Those are facts