2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[vorticism]

Would be a bit like the Norris-Piastri pairing, two great drivers to bring home points consistently. We'll see.

The PU parity in 2026 I think will be closer than people are expecting. There's no new tech being introduced like in 20214, rather it's a rearrangement of the existing tech. We'll have in AMR a Honda with Newey aero vs a Merc with Merc aero via Merc-AMG F1. If there is early parity then it should be interesting. Both Honda and Merc have the current tech well sorted. New era RB with a RB-Ford PU will be an unknown.

The flight of top figures from RB within a short timespan suggests to me that it was a result of the board, of a change in leadership, not that RBR was a ticking time bomb that exploded from within. Strike the shepherd, sheep will scatter. Imagine being regular staff there, Newey, Wheatly, Horner all gone. If Verstappen leaves, how bewildering.

Anyway, Posted It Again Awards to be handed out in this thread. For the categories:

-RB use a Formula Drift car with 90:10 front-rear weight distribution as designed by Max Verstappen
-Evil evil bad man Jos Cthulu is shadow team principal, and mean (he's mean [he's a meanie])

[TeamKoolGreen]

I think that Max talking to Mercedes was part of the plan to force Red Bull to oust Christian, anyone else think that could be the case?

No. Why should anyone try to put more holes into a sinking ship? If the Verstappen clan wants a shitty car, they can just go to Haas.
Again: They lost one of their strongest allies in the team. Their marketing manager. There is no indication, that Verstappen wins anything with this, they are all indications taken, also a loosing party here.

I don't have an issue with that really. I think Red Bull has always been having the focus a no 1 driver.

This is not really correct. Obvious:
- RedBull had mostly years with a Nr2 struggle. The last 5 years, the last year with Webber, last year Kvyat...that was not a focus, there was simply no Nr2. That was maybe something you would expect from a reserve drive. That was simply something they had to look away because the drivers struggled with themselves, not the car.
- In most years they did not have a Nr2 struggle, they were on equal terms. We saw maybe 3 years Vettel vs. Webber and not even 2 years Ver vs. Per where we can discuss about a realistic Nr1 and Nr2 situation. There were more years, starting the first 4 years, later Ric years, where the drivers were very equal.

I remember someone at RedBull (maybe Horner or Marko) stating that they didn't want to change the car for Perez as he was the slower driver and their goal was to build the fastest two cars.

Just a false claim. Everything said in all honesty by Newey.

He has been reported that Peter Bayer and Laurent Mekies were Horner hires.

Also very wrong. There is an interview with Peter Bayer about the whole process on PlanetF1 for example. Both Bayer and Mekies were approached by Marko and hired by Mintzlaff. The two existing CEOs Horner and Tost were consulted, Tost also gave multiple interviews about this on Sky.

Please guys, get your stories together...you can not just keep repeating imaginations of nonsense, when there are clear interviews of people one can trust that say the opposite.

The signs were there, RBR admitted it after the fact, Newey said it too albeit when he was at AM. They either ignored or it or there wasn't someone senior enough to pull them into line - or a bit of both

I think this is also the point why Honer was sacked in the end. All the reshuffle, Newey out, Wache in is his fault. Horner never designed the car, but he is the one hiring the designer that screwed up.

Uh the Race just released a new video 2 hours ago that says Bayer and Mekies were Christian Horner hires. And also says that Horner got the Visa title sponsor.

So get your stories together and stop spreading nonsense

[organic]

ah yes the race.. the most reliable and always correct outlet..

[CjC]

Why so much hate towards The Race? I’ve only seen hostility towards them in the Red Bull thread?

[organic]

Why so much hate towards The Race? I’ve only seen hostility towards them in the Red Bull thread?

they have a large british bias and I think that's not appreciated by a lot of people who are fans of Verstappen/Red Bull - a remnant of 2021 title fight i would guess?

When your tech expert is as inaccurate as Gary Anderson then you're doing something wrong

[Wouter]

Ola Källenius ( Chairman of the Board of Management and CEO of the Mercedes-Benz Group) is willing to pay €100 million
for Max's buyout.
This video is in German, but you can choose any subtitle language you prefer in the settings.

Edit: It seems the subtitels are in English.

[chrisc90]

Upgrades are coming for the next 2 races apparently.

[CjC]

Upgrades are coming for the next 2 races apparently.

Thought Marco said the upgrade at Austria was the last one?

[chrisc90]

God knows.

A dry Silverstone would have been nice to see if they were a good upgrade. I think the wet and the setup configuration they run shadowed that a lot.

Still a podium car though I’d have said that weekend. (Without max spinning out)

[CjC]

Why so much hate towards The Race? I’ve only seen hostility towards them in the Red Bull thread?

they have a large british bias and I think that's not appreciated by a lot of people who are fans of Verstappen/Red Bull - a remnant of 2021 title fight i would guess?

When your tech expert is as inaccurate as Gary Anderson then you're doing something wrong

Thought it might be because of the 2021 season which is fair enough.

I would recommend to you guys to start reading their articles they aren’t the trashy social media *hitstorms.

[CjC]

God knows.

A dry Silverstone would have been nice to see if they were a good upgrade. I think the wet and the setup configuration they run shadowed that a lot.

Still a podium car though I’d have said that weekend. (Without max spinning out)

Yea it’s was a pity that we couldn’t see how Max faired against the Mclarens in the dry, however that didn’t stop me from enjoying the result nonetheless

I’d imagine it’ll just be status quo from a competitive point of view.
Let’s say Red Bull bring 2 more upgrades.
McLaren will run their new floor in Spa and I think there is one more small upgrade to come.
Ferrari have their super duper race winning suspension to come.
And I think I’ve read Merc will be bringing 2 more upgrades- then it’s the summer break and surely no one will be signing off any more upstages for 2025 after that.

I don’t think Mclaren will be as strong at the remaining higher speed tracks so if Max can utilise the Silverstone set up again else where then there should be something for the Red Bull crew to celebrate

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Why so much hate towards The Race? I’ve only seen hostility towards them in the Red Bull thread?

they have a large british bias and I think that's not appreciated by a lot of people who are fans of Verstappen/Red Bull - a remnant of 2021 title fight i would guess?

When your tech expert is as inaccurate as Gary Anderson then you're doing something wrong

They're a British outlet, so of course they are going to try and appeal to British fans. Funny thing is that they always struck me as having a pro-RBR bias lol.

Gary Anderson is just plain awful though!

[Lazy]

Why so much hate towards The Race? I’ve only seen hostility towards them in the Red Bull thread?

they have a large british bias and I think that's not appreciated by a lot of people who are fans of Verstappen/Red Bull - a remnant of 2021 title fight i would guess?

When your tech expert is as inaccurate as Gary Anderson then you're doing something wrong

Oh come on, they are always gushing over Max.

[avantman]

God knows.

A dry Silverstone would have been nice to see if they were a good upgrade. I think the wet and the setup configuration they run shadowed that a lot.

Still a podium car though I’d have said that weekend. (Without max spinning out)

Yea it’s was a pity that we couldn’t see how Max faired against the Mclarens in the dry, however that didn’t stop me from enjoying the result nonetheless

I’d imagine it’ll just be status quo from a competitive point of view.
Let’s say Red Bull bring 2 more upgrades.
McLaren will run their new floor in Spa and I think there is one more small upgrade to come.
Ferrari have their super duper race winning suspension to come.
And I think I’ve read Merc will be bringing 2 more upgrades- then it’s the summer break and surely no one will be signing off any more upstages for 2025 after that.

I don’t think Mclaren will be as strong at the remaining higher speed tracks so if Max can utilise the Silverstone set up again else where then there should be something for the Red Bull crew to celebrate

At this stage, no upgrade they bring can be worth more than 0.05s and even that if it works perfectly. Given Mclaren advantage over the rest of the nothing is gonna be different till the end of the year.
The only way Mclaren can not win a race looking just as fast or slower than any of their rivals is if they underperform and fail to extract the best out of their car, which I am sure was the case in all of the races they didn't win this year, plus Jeddah. Everyone could now see their advantage is not only when it is hot and has barely anything to do with cold rear tires. If they had cold rear tires they would be struggling badly in cold wet silverstone but their dominance looked bigger than ever before.
Their car is the most dominant car we have seen since W11. No single weakness whatsoever, not mentioning the drivers of course. It should win all upcoming races not sweating too much. At this point only mclaren fans can downplay the extent of their car advantage, trying to create fake expectations for the rest of the year hyping up the rivals and their updates, as if Mclaren haven’t been bringing any. Easy to see why so…

[Seanspeed]

Ola Källenius ( Chairman of the Board of Management and CEO of the Mercedes-Benz Group) is willing to pay €100 million
for Max's buyout.
This video is in German, but you can choose any subtitle language you prefer in the settings.

Edit: It seems the subtitels are in English.

What's the actual source of this information, though?