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What will it take for Aston Martin to sign Max? I keep reading reports and rumors that Max is in talks with Toto.
If Aston Martin can not sign Max then who is an elite driver available?
Do you know for a fact that Max can break his contract and if so what those conditions are?
if hes 4th or worse in the championship by midseason? i believe. ive heard the timeframe somewhere, but they state the clause being 4th or worse in one of the drive to survive episodes. i think marko said it.
Doesn't matter if there is a clause or not. If Max tells the team he's leaving, that's it. The question is whether there are entities out there who will write a big enough check to RBR to secure the release -- and Stroll/ARAMCO certainly qualify
Do you know for a fact that Max can break his contract and if so what those conditions are?
if hes 4th or worse in the championship by midseason? i believe. ive heard the timeframe somewhere, but they state the clause being 4th or worse in one of the drive to survive episodes. i think marko said it.
Between The Race and Sky Sports F1 the most consistent part is lower than 3rd, the question mark seems to be whether that's by mid-season, end of July, or Summer Break.
If mid-season, then too late, if end of July then Spa could be interesting and if Summer Break then next 2 races could be interesting. Especially as George is the driver most likely to bump Max down the standings...
by "midseason", i meant summer break. idk if thats exactly it but its some time soon. and yeah dropping lower than 3rd. ive heard that if he doesnt drop below 3rd then the buyout would be 100 million. pretty steep to get max AND his dad. i guess you could look at it as a 2 for 1. one that a team probably could do without.
if hes 4th or worse in the championship by midseason? i believe. ive heard the timeframe somewhere, but they state the clause being 4th or worse in one of the drive to survive episodes. i think marko said it.
Between The Race and Sky Sports F1 the most consistent part is lower than 3rd, the question mark seems to be whether that's by mid-season, end of July, or Summer Break.
If mid-season, then too late, if end of July then Spa could be interesting and if Summer Break then next 2 races could be interesting. Especially as George is the driver most likely to bump Max down the standings...
by "midseason", i meant summer break. idk if thats exactly it but its some time soon. and yeah dropping lower than 3rd. ive heard that if he doesnt drop below 3rd then the buyout would be 100 million. pretty steep to get max AND his dad. i guess you could look at it as a 2 for 1. one that a team probably could do without.
Yikes! Then you still have to pay him!
Plus next couple of years are gonna be years where 1 team is gonna be alot better than the rest. In years like that even Stroll could win. The other side of that is that a Max, is NOT gonna change much.
Between The Race and Sky Sports F1 the most consistent part is lower than 3rd, the question mark seems to be whether that's by mid-season, end of July, or Summer Break.
If mid-season, then too late, if end of July then Spa could be interesting and if Summer Break then next 2 races could be interesting. Especially as George is the driver most likely to bump Max down the standings...
by "midseason", i meant summer break. idk if thats exactly it but its some time soon. and yeah dropping lower than 3rd. ive heard that if he doesnt drop below 3rd then the buyout would be 100 million. pretty steep to get max AND his dad. i guess you could look at it as a 2 for 1. one that a team probably could do without.
Yikes! Then you still have to pay him!
Plus next couple of years are gonna be years where 1 team is gonna be alot better than the rest. In years like that even Stroll could win. The other side of that is that a Max, is NOT gonna change much.
yeah im curious about that. i dont see merc dominating again even if they do bring a power unit thats A LOT better than everyone else. simply because theyve lost so many people since those days, and they cant just drop half a billion $$'s for a completely new car anymore. hopefully its aston honda that become that team this time. alonso deserves it haha. but regardless i dont think itll be as bad of a domination as merc was from 2014. also, i dont think there are engine upgrade limits next year. i assume they still have to fall under the engine cost cap, but its going to be a lot easier for engine manufacturers to catch up this time around.. time will tell
Guys what's the point to talk about speculations? You guys worae then all the wife's and granny's together. Could we just stay on the earth and talking about actual news, facts, upgrades, updates? Sometimes you guys talking about everything like Max,sky sports,Totto, Mercedes without any Aston martin content. Where the moderators?
Guys what's the point to talk about speculations? You guys worae then all the wife's and granny's together. Could we just stay on the earth and talking about actual news, facts, upgrades, updates? Sometimes you guys talking about everything like Max,sky sports,Totto, Mercedes without any Aston martin content. Where the moderators?
Im curious about SPA upgrades, they will finish the Silverstone package. That circuit is not great for Aston right? so many straights and we have a draggy car, could be difficult to enter on Q3. Im so much more interest to see the 2025's car perfomance instead next year. Aston could be the fifth team this year yet? Its so important see they bring some nice and usefull pieces this year, after 2 years suffering
Im not really hyped about the upgrades, I mean if in 2,5 year it wasn't work why would work now,even with Newey just in few months at work? As Newey said,the problem roots coming from correlation issues,and miscalculated,miscalibrated simulator. Dont forget that those machines only knows what you teach to them from the real track data. Is very possible that the Mercedes windtunnel data wasn't correct at some point by the data and they made the parts ,then tested it in the track and feeded the data in the simulator. At the begging of the new area the Aston started good, but just because they had an Alonso and the other teams had many problems, mostly with the dolphin effect so is faded the real standing between the teams. As soon as other teams found the right way and solutions, the Mercedes and Aston still had continuously correlation issues and they used the same windtunnel. With the new windtunnel they can double check everything and found the right path ,but is will take a year or 2 feed the correct numbers and data in the simulator.
Guys what's the point to talk about speculations? You guys worae then all the wife's and granny's together. Could we just stay on the earth and talking about actual news, facts, upgrades, updates? Sometimes you guys talking about everything like Max,sky sports,Totto, Mercedes without any Aston martin content. Where the moderators?
i agree. i wish they would give us something to talk about haha
Im curious about SPA upgrades, they will finish the Silverstone package. That circuit is not great for Aston right? so many straights and we have a draggy car, could be difficult to enter on Q3. Im so much more interest to see the 2025's car perfomance instead next year. Aston could be the fifth team this year yet? Its so important see they bring some nice and usefull pieces this year, after 2 years suffering
I don't know what additional upgrade is being brought to Spa to complete the new package, but currently, Sauber is the 5th best team and it's not really close. Hulkenberg's poor qualifying and Bortoleto's inconsistent race pace is what is keeping Aston Martin in the fight for the bottom end of the points. I'd argue that the Sauber is closer competitively to the top 4 teams than they are to the rest of the midfield.
Don't forget too that Williams had a noticeably stronger car at the beginning of the season pace wise and is still better overall on different types of tyres. Reliability issues has kept them out of the chase in most recent races. Although Albon was driving a car with 5 laps fresher tyres than Alonso's at Silverstone, the Williams' race pace really came alive at the end on a dry track.
Im curious about SPA upgrades, they will finish the Silverstone package. That circuit is not great for Aston right? so many straights and we have a draggy car, could be difficult to enter on Q3. Im so much more interest to see the 2025's car perfomance instead next year. Aston could be the fifth team this year yet? Its so important see they bring some nice and usefull pieces this year, after 2 years suffering
I don't know what additional upgrade is being brought to Spa to complete the new package, but currently, Sauber is the 5th best team and it's not really close. Hulkenberg's poor qualifying and Bortoleto's inconsistent race pace is what is keeping Aston Martin in the fight for the bottom end of the points. I'd argue that the Sauber is closer competitively to the top 4 teams than they are to the rest of the midfield.
Don't forget too that Williams had a noticeably stronger car at the beginning of the season pace wise and is still better overall on different types of tyres. Reliability issues has kept them out of the chase in most recent races. Although Albon was driving a car with 5 laps fresher tyres than Alonso's at Silverstone, the Williams' race pace really came alive at the end on a dry track.
I think Aston with the Imola update solved the most tyre degradation problems, still not perfect but wasn't bad either. In UK was raining a lot so in the tarmac wasn't much tyre. Lets see in Spain but in normal dry weekend they shouldn't be problem with degradation.
Guys what's the point to talk about speculations? You guys worae then all the wife's and granny's together. Could we just stay on the earth and talking about actual news, facts, upgrades, updates? Sometimes you guys talking about everything like Max,sky sports,Totto, Mercedes without any Aston martin content. Where the moderators?
Im curious about SPA upgrades, they will finish the Silverstone package. That circuit is not great for Aston right? so many straights and we have a draggy car, could be difficult to enter on Q3. Im so much more interest to see the 2025's car perfomance instead next year. Aston could be the fifth team this year yet? Its so important see they bring some nice and usefull pieces this year, after 2 years suffering
Last year, Spa was a good circuit for the AMR24, kind of expecting similar this year. While Austria and Silverstone were harder races, which I think was the case this year despite favourable circumstances in both.
Guys what's the point to talk about speculations? You guys worae then all the wife's and granny's together. Could we just stay on the earth and talking about actual news, facts, upgrades, updates? Sometimes you guys talking about everything like Max,sky sports,Totto, Mercedes without any Aston martin content. Where the moderators?
Im curious about SPA upgrades, they will finish the Silverstone package. That circuit is not great for Aston right? so many straights and we have a draggy car, could be difficult to enter on Q3. Im so much more interest to see the 2025's car perfomance instead next year. Aston could be the fifth team this year yet? Its so important see they bring some nice and usefull pieces this year, after 2 years suffering
There is a slow sector there too. That and the car looked pretty racy at Silverstone. Maybe finishing up the upgrade plus what they learned from the race data, the car will be fast. You know, a solid number 5.
The end of the day. If the upgrades don't start working, it will decrease the chances of the car being strong next year. It will mean that they haven't figured out what they are doing wrong with the WT and CFD. Yes, the floor will play a much smaller part next year but it will still play a part.
