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Tbh, Brawn and Mercedes are the same team.
This wouldn't be remotely true and sounds more like a Hamilton fan justifying the switch with absolutely everything.woocasz wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025, 16:22In 2024, Leclerc & Sainz requested 2 very different modifications to the power steering. Ferrari went in Sainz's direction. Hamilton, after his first laps with the SF-25, said: 'You're crazy to use power steering like that."
So Ferrari used the Sainz steering suggestion instead just listening to their faster driver.
Worth remembering that win tallies will get racked way more these days with 20-22+ races a year. Having the best car will massively boost win tallies.
It’s an arbitrary point at which to start measuring - if you started in 2000, for example, it would look very different as 2000-2008 Ferrari dominated. If you started in 2014, it might be somewhat similar but Red Bull would have a lot fewer victories. The point is that , aside from the two teams who have absolutely dominated for periods during this arbitrary stretch, Ferrari have been the closest. That’s not really good enough for a team like Ferrari - who need to be the ones dominating, at least from time to time and it’s been too long since they’ve got all the pieces right - but it does show that they’re regularly thereabouts. I don’t think it’s any kind of indictment of the team but do hope that all these recent teething problems will finally add up to a team that can nail all the elements of a new formula in 2026z
Don't wanna burst your bubble... There is a roll center thread on this forum where members went into deep technical discussion and analysis on roll-centers of formula 1 cars, street cars and other racing categories... Amd guess what the conclusion was??SB15 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025, 03:42Anee
@Sedici_Ferrari on X
“The most important day for Ferrari so far this year is upon us and it’s not Race Day but Filming Day! The new rear suspension will be tested at Mugello. Can it help us consistently fight at the front?
I posted my view on the suspension a few weeks ago. I theorised then, that the SF-25 had a lower roll center which was causing greater body roll in high speed corners negatively impacting drivability. With this new suspension, I expect to see the suspension arms/wishbones be more angled which should raise the roll center. This should not only improve drivability (less roll), but just allow Ferrari to use more rear downforce. See below figure for how I expect that to happen (only directionally - because obviously I don’t have any info on what exactly will be the impact).
The vertical force acting on the car is absorbed through both suspension linkages (via control arms) and through springs/dampers. When the roll center is lower, more vertical load needs to be absorbed by the spring/damper (shown in blue). With a higher roll center, the proportion of vertical load going through the suspension linkages increases (shown in green in below diagram). Now it has been all but confirmed that the damper on SF-25 is not strong/big enough to withstand high vertical load (even The Race mentioned it in their recent video). By changing the suspension arm geometry on the new rear suspension and raising the roll center (this is my expectation - we haven’t seen any pics yet of the new suspension), more vertical load can pass through suspension linkages. If Ferrari has also managed to increase damping capacity, then this would mean increased vertical load handling capability from spring/damper. This would allow the SF-25 to run at lower ride-heights and experience more vertical force. Given in this scenario, we are asking more of the suspension linkages (compared to previous), they need to be very strong structurally to withstand the higher load. Likely this why the test is happening in Mugello. This track’s high speed corners at low ride height + high-ish dwf rear wing would generate a lot of vertical load allowing Ferrari to understand how much vertical load the new suspension setup is able to withstand.”
This was a quote from X. But what was the conclusion?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 13:54Don't wanna burst your bubble... There is a roll center thread on this forum where members went into deep technical discussion and analysis on roll-centers of formula 1 cars, street cars and other racing categories... Amd guess what the conclusion was??SB15 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025, 03:42Anee
@Sedici_Ferrari on X
“The most important day for Ferrari so far this year is upon us and it’s not Race Day but Filming Day! The new rear suspension will be tested at Mugello. Can it help us consistently fight at the front?
I posted my view on the suspension a few weeks ago. I theorised then, that the SF-25 had a lower roll center which was causing greater body roll in high speed corners negatively impacting drivability. With this new suspension, I expect to see the suspension arms/wishbones be more angled which should raise the roll center. This should not only improve drivability (less roll), but just allow Ferrari to use more rear downforce. See below figure for how I expect that to happen (only directionally - because obviously I don’t have any info on what exactly will be the impact).
The vertical force acting on the car is absorbed through both suspension linkages (via control arms) and through springs/dampers. When the roll center is lower, more vertical load needs to be absorbed by the spring/damper (shown in blue). With a higher roll center, the proportion of vertical load going through the suspension linkages increases (shown in green in below diagram). Now it has been all but confirmed that the damper on SF-25 is not strong/big enough to withstand high vertical load (even The Race mentioned it in their recent video). By changing the suspension arm geometry on the new rear suspension and raising the roll center (this is my expectation - we haven’t seen any pics yet of the new suspension), more vertical load can pass through suspension linkages. If Ferrari has also managed to increase damping capacity, then this would mean increased vertical load handling capability from spring/damper. This would allow the SF-25 to run at lower ride-heights and experience more vertical force. Given in this scenario, we are asking more of the suspension linkages (compared to previous), they need to be very strong structurally to withstand the higher load. Likely this why the test is happening in Mugello. This track’s high speed corners at low ride height + high-ish dwf rear wing would generate a lot of vertical load allowing Ferrari to understand how much vertical load the new suspension setup is able to withstand.”
Why did Ferrari see fit to dismantle the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn-Byrne super team of the mentioned period? Why not give Ross Brawn a permanent senior role with ownership as he desired, perhaps taking over from the FIA-bound Todt as team principal?
Because nobody hates Ferrari more than its management and fans.JordanMugen wrote:Why did Ferrari see fit to dismantle the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn-Byrne super team of the mentioned period? Why not give Ross Brawn a permanent senior role with ownership as he desired, perhaps taking over from the FIA-bound Todt as team principal?
According to the rumour mill of the time it was because Di Montezemolo felt pushed to the side and made unimportant by the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn core.JordanMugen wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 17:39
Why did Ferrari see fit to dismantle the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn-Byrne super team of the mentioned period? Why not give Ross Brawn a permanent senior role with ownership as he desired, perhaps taking over from the FIA-bound Todt as team principal?
SB15 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 17:16This was a quote from X. But what was the conclusion?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 13:54Don't wanna burst your bubble... There is a roll center thread on this forum where members went into deep technical discussion and analysis on roll-centers of formula 1 cars, street cars and other racing categories... Amd guess what the conclusion was??SB15 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025, 03:42Anee
@Sedici_Ferrari on X
“The most important day for Ferrari so far this year is upon us and it’s not Race Day but Filming Day! The new rear suspension will be tested at Mugello. Can it help us consistently fight at the front?
I posted my view on the suspension a few weeks ago. I theorised then, that the SF-25 had a lower roll center which was causing greater body roll in high speed corners negatively impacting drivability. With this new suspension, I expect to see the suspension arms/wishbones be more angled which should raise the roll center. This should not only improve drivability (less roll), but just allow Ferrari to use more rear downforce. See below figure for how I expect that to happen (only directionally - because obviously I don’t have any info on what exactly will be the impact).
The vertical force acting on the car is absorbed through both suspension linkages (via control arms) and through springs/dampers. When the roll center is lower, more vertical load needs to be absorbed by the spring/damper (shown in blue). With a higher roll center, the proportion of vertical load going through the suspension linkages increases (shown in green in below diagram). Now it has been all but confirmed that the damper on SF-25 is not strong/big enough to withstand high vertical load (even The Race mentioned it in their recent video). By changing the suspension arm geometry on the new rear suspension and raising the roll center (this is my expectation - we haven’t seen any pics yet of the new suspension), more vertical load can pass through suspension linkages. If Ferrari has also managed to increase damping capacity, then this would mean increased vertical load handling capability from spring/damper. This would allow the SF-25 to run at lower ride-heights and experience more vertical force. Given in this scenario, we are asking more of the suspension linkages (compared to previous), they need to be very strong structurally to withstand the higher load. Likely this why the test is happening in Mugello. This track’s high speed corners at low ride height + high-ish dwf rear wing would generate a lot of vertical load allowing Ferrari to understand how much vertical load the new suspension setup is able to withstand.”
https://www.formula1.it/news/25946/1/fe ... retroscenainitial feedback on the new rear suspension at Mugello is positive (*even considering the use of demo tires and setup limitations*), and with good correlation between simulations and actual runs, there is a cautious but optimistic outlook internally.
In that case, any downturn in form after that very successful period seems like entirely Ferrari's own fault with no one else to blame!Sevach wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 20:58According to the rumour mill of the time it was because Di Montezemolo felt pushed to the side and made unimportant by the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn core.JordanMugen wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 17:39
Why did Ferrari see fit to dismantle the Schumacher-Todt-Brawn-Byrne super team of the mentioned period? Why not give Ross Brawn a permanent senior role with ownership as he desired, perhaps taking over from the FIA-bound Todt as team principal?
So he hired Kimi stepping over Todt and forcing Michael to make a decision, which ended up being his temporary retirement.
Todt wanted to be Ferrari president, moving from team boss to run the entire base at Maranello, road car division included, Luca didn't give him that so he walked(it was a few years before Jean decided to run for FIA president).
And ultimately he chose Domenicalli over Brawn as the new team boss, which led to Ross moving to greener pastures(Honda) where he was going to be in charge.
