2025 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 05 - Sep 07

[CHT]

Oscars deserves to win the WDC this year. He fight with Charles was superb, perhaps the most entertaining of the weekend due to the high stake involve in WDC

[Vettel165]

Oscars deserves to win the WDC this year. He fight with Charles was superb, perhaps the most entertaining of the weekend due to the high stake involve in WDC

Indeed, what a pass by Oscar. Also he is very calm under pressure, he 100% deserves it more than Lando..

[venkyhere]

RB19 vibes from RB21, and 2023 vibes from the Redbull team (driver, pitcrew, engineers).

Once they realized that they simply don't have the pace to catch Max on the M, McLaren should have tried a mixed strategy by letting one car run long and wait for an SC/VSC to put on the S, and one car to go early onto the H and pressure Redbull into stopping Max. That is if they wanted to desperately win this race.
Instead, they waited with both cars for Max's tyres to fall away, which it never did within a meaningful window of laps remaining. Once the blistering started affecting pace, Redbull were decisive and made the call for H, instead of continuing the 'who blinks first' waiting game. Mclaren philosophy is : 'we shouldn't disadvantage one driver and hand over the advantage to the other driver, with any strategy calls, even unintentionally, because we have both WCC & WDC in the bag, and dont care about who finishes ahead of us, since both cars will be on the podium on every track anyway'. I see nothing wrong with that, it's prudent and keeps ugly dynamics within the team, away (that's you, Mercedes 2016). I don't know what the hue and cry about 'giving the place back' is all about - it's something within the team and if they are fine with it, what business is it of 'the generic F1 spectator' to complain about ?

[thestig84]

Yeah, true, but just pit Lando first, then even a slow pitstop wouldn’t have mattered.

Ignore what Brundle was banging on about. Norris let OP stop first so there was no chance he could lose out if a SC comes out just after stopping.

[RedNEO]

Did Max keep the fastest lap?

No Max best lap was 1:21.003, Lando piped him on last lap with 1:20.901

They were in the battle. Otherwise it would have been a hattrick. For sure they were both racing for that. Giampiero also warned not too. Alonso went wide and that can end your race.

Did Alonso go wide? He still has two wheels well within the white line and has full control of the car.
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[Vettel165]

Negative Maximilian will win.

For once I was right.

[venkyhere]

Croft and Brundle - they were deflated yesterday when Max bagged pole, and they were deflated today when the Sainz-Bearman incident (btw, why the penalty on Bearman ? I don't understand the rules/stewards in 2025 at all) didn't result in a VSC/SC that could have handed a free stop to the Mclarens. Croft mentioned it twice or thrice, he couldn't let go of this. Ever since Abudhabi 2021, there is not even an attempt to hide their bias by the Sky team.

[langedweil]

Negative Maximilian will win.

For once I was right.

He was nothing but smiles this weekend though

[Sieper]

No Max best lap was 1:21.003, Lando piped him on last lap with 1:20.901

They were in the battle. Otherwise it would have been a hattrick. For sure they were both racing for that. Giampiero also warned not too. Alonso went wide and that can end your race.

Did Alonso go wide? He still has two wheels well within the white line and has full control of the car.
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Not by far, just a bit more, and then bad luck. I think that was what Giampiero was warning Max for.

[Jambier]

Bortoleto rookie of the year?
Or Hadjar, but BOR has to beat HUL which is something harder

[maxxer]

Croft and Brundle - they were deflated yesterday when Max bagged pole, and they were deflated today when the Sainz-Bearman incident (btw, why the penalty on Bearman ? I don't understand the rules/stewards in 2025 at all) didn't result in a VSC/SC that could have handed a free stop to the Mclarens. Croft mentioned it twice or thrice, he couldn't let go of this. Ever since Abudhabi 2021, there is not even an attempt to hide their bias by the Sky team.

I watched it on F1TV with David Coulthard revealing he has cut the chicane back in the day to get quicker into the pits.
I found that quite funny

[venkyhere]

Bortoleto rookie of the year?
Or Hadjar, but BOR has to beat HUL which is something harder

Hadjar, Bortoletto, Bearman, Antonelli, Lawson - that's the pecking order of rookies in my mind.

[Jambier]

Bortoleto rookie of the year?
Or Hadjar, but BOR has to beat HUL which is something harder

Hadjar, Bortoletto, Bearman, Antonelli, Lawson - that's the pecking order of rookies in my mind.

Yes, Lawson is not a rookie anymore now and I think is career is already in a bad shape.

Antonelli… I think it was a mistake to put him in the Mercedes. He deserve another chance maybe but for now it is bad.

Hadjar and Bortoleto are great surprise, Hadjar since the beginning and Bortoleto seems to progress at every race

[purestpurist]

Croft and Brundle - they were deflated yesterday when Max bagged pole, and they were deflated today when the Sainz-Bearman incident (btw, why the penalty on Bearman ? I don't understand the rules/stewards in 2025 at all) didn't result in a VSC/SC that could have handed a free stop to the Mclarens. Croft mentioned it twice or thrice, he couldn't let go of this. Ever since Abudhabi 2021, there is not even an attempt to hide their bias by the Sky team.

I'm not even sure it's the bias that bothers me. I go back and watch old races with Murray Walker, who was more openly biased, but it isn't grating in the same way. The way he builds Schumacher up as a supervillain was more tasteful and respectful than the Sky team (sans Brundle, who I like) pretending to be neutral while constantly trying to shape the narrative in favor of their drivers. The real difference might be that Murray really loved F1 while for Crofty it's just his job

[Rodak]

Croft and Brundle - they were deflated yesterday when Max bagged pole, and they were deflated today when the Sainz-Bearman incident (btw, why the penalty on Bearman ? I don't understand the rules/stewards in 2025 at all) didn't result in a VSC/SC that could have handed a free stop to the Mclarens. Croft mentioned it twice or thrice, he couldn't let go of this. Ever since Abudhabi 2021, there is not even an attempt to hide their bias by the Sky team.

I watched it on F1TV with David Coulthard revealing he has cut the chicane back in the day to get quicker into the pits.
I found that quite funny

Yeah, that was amusing; he said everyone did it because no officials seemed to care. I certainly noticed a lot of pro Hamilton talk from Alex Jacque. I quite enjoy Jolyon Palmer's commenting; he and Coulthard actually mesh fairly well.