2025 McLaren F1 Team

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The team made the right move to follow the swap. I'm a bit surprised that McLaren is getting criticism for running their team in a principled manner that's fair to both drivers.

My only question is why Oscar waited so long so long to pit.

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MYsee wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 23:34

My only question is why Oscar waited so long so long to pit.
Oscar had the conversation about making the mediums last long enough to go onto softs quite early in the race

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Can you imagine the uproar if it turns out that the mechanic on the front right is from Oscar's side of the garage....

Of course he didn't do it on purpose, but that is on parr with what some are suggesting on here.

McLaren are intentionally NOT favouring either driver, but some fans (a minority I hope) can't comprehend that. Maybe because we've had so many years of the Red Bull and Max show where they openly favour their lead driver. Mercedes before that as well could be argued to favour Lewis over Bottas at times.

Oscar has said he agrees with the decision. I don't understand why some people (The Race included) are trying to make it into a controversy.
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geogate wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 23:28
lol, they were trying to protect oscars 3rd place. If they were team GB they would be happy to hold oscar out until he undercut by Leclerc, presumably. I do scratch my head at this British team british driver thing. Which particular members of the team are doing all this, cos the ones i can think of who if they that way incline, maybe, possibly, might be able to bias something, they arnt even British - so, Who are these people?
The reactions of Zac Brown have been well documented when it comes to Lando or Oscar winning. The difference is huge.

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Gothrek wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 00:20

The reactions of Zac Brown have been well documented when it comes to Lando or Oscar winning. The difference is huge.
He isnt British. Next one
(I also struggle to see how Zak would have any influence on race team strategy or even culture - thats all on Stella )
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geogate wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 23:42
MYsee wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 23:34

My only question is why Oscar waited so long so long to pit.
Oscar had the conversation about making the mediums last long enough to go onto softs quite early in the race
I was waiting for Oscar to try the undercut and call for a pit himself around lap 42-43 for the softs, rather than the team deciding (including with Lando's blessing) that he should pit first to cover Leclerc. They both know the team is going to be fair to both of them, but on rare occasions like this, they don't seem to take that into account in their calculus.

Similar issue with Lando last year in Hungary - the team allows them to race, but he waited till the very end of the race to give the position back to Oscar, rather than giving it back early and racing him for the last 15 or so laps that were left.

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MYsee wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 00:25
geogate wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 23:42
MYsee wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 23:34

My only question is why Oscar waited so long so long to pit.
Oscar had the conversation about making the mediums last long enough to go onto softs quite early in the race
I was waiting for Oscar to try the undercut and call for a pit himself around lap 42-43 for the softs, rather than the team deciding (including with Lando's blessing) that he should pit first to cover Leclerc. They both know the team is going to be fair to both of them, but on rare occasions like this, they don't seem to take that into account in their calculus.

Similar issue with Lando last year in Hungary - the team allows them to race, but he waited till the very end of the race to give the position back to Oscar, rather than giving it back early and racing him for the last 15 or so laps that were left.
but once it got that far into the race, Oscar couldnt choose to pit early as that would effectively be giving him the privilege of the lead driver. He dosnt get to have the choise of under cutting. The only way they can do that would be if they on completely different strategies, like he was 2 stopping
Sure, Lando waiting until the end at hungary was an error. I dont know what was going through his mind that made him think that was a good idea

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geogate wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 00:32
MYsee wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 00:25
geogate wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 23:42


Oscar had the conversation about making the mediums last long enough to go onto softs quite early in the race
I was waiting for Oscar to try the undercut and call for a pit himself around lap 42-43 for the softs, rather than the team deciding (including with Lando's blessing) that he should pit first to cover Leclerc. They both know the team is going to be fair to both of them, but on rare occasions like this, they don't seem to take that into account in their calculus.

Similar issue with Lando last year in Hungary - the team allows them to race, but he waited till the very end of the race to give the position back to Oscar, rather than giving it back early and racing him for the last 15 or so laps that were left.
but once it got that far into the race, Oscar couldnt choose to pit early as that would effectively be giving him the privilege of the lead driver. He dosnt get to have the choise of under cutting. The only way they can do that would be if they on completely different strategies, like he was 2 stopping
Sure, Lando waiting until the end at hungary was an error. I dont know what was going through his mind that made him think that was a good idea
My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that if Oscar asked to pit Lando would simply be given the option to pit before him as the lead driver.

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Gothrek wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 00:20
geogate wrote:
07 Sep 2025, 23:28
lol, they were trying to protect oscars 3rd place. If they were team GB they would be happy to hold oscar out until he undercut by Leclerc, presumably. I do scratch my head at this British team british driver thing. Which particular members of the team are doing all this, cos the ones i can think of who if they that way incline, maybe, possibly, might be able to bias something, they arnt even British - so, Who are these people?
The reactions of Zac Brown have been well documented when it comes to Lando or Oscar winning. The difference is huge.
Zac Brown has known Lando since 2016, signing him as a McLaren junior in 2017. He has helped him develop into the driver he is today. There is emotional investment there that you simply don't get when you poach a driver from another team.
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WardenOfTheNorth wrote:
08 Sep 2025, 00:07
Oscar has said he agrees with the decision. I don't understand why some people (The Race included) are trying to make it into a controversy.
That's because the 'media' thrives on controversy and 'stories' , 'facts' are so boring.

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One more thing, forgot to add in previous post :
Everyone seems to think that Lando was "being generous and kind" when he asked for Piastri to get the first priority in pitting, inorder to protect Piastri from leClerc. Actually it was a case of 'what if there is a SC just after I pit and Piastri gets a free stop? better to pit after him so that even if I don't get a lucky SC pistop, I stay ahead of him' . I find no one mention this, not even the commentary team or the various 'post race show' s.