2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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diffuser wrote:
10 Sep 2025, 04:54
JPower wrote:
10 Sep 2025, 02:47
diffuser wrote:
09 Sep 2025, 02:34


He may feel that way, but that doesn't make it true. There are far more drivers who’ve never won a single race than there are who’ve claimed two driving championships. Plus, he’s competed in more races than anyone else—naturally, that means he’s also had more chances for things to go wrong.
Statistically, he's pretty damn unlucky. From my count, 61 retirements that weren't from collisions or spins. That's 14% of his races.

By comparison, Hamilton is at 5%, Verstappen around 9%.
Hülkenberg has earned a total of 608 career points across 246 Formula One entries (242 starts), with one podium, one pole position, and two fastest laps to his name.
What's your point? That's mainly down to Hulk not being in cars able to accomplish those heights. Doesn't mean he's unlucky.

The rate at which Alonso has retired from races from things out of his control is much higher than his peers, which would by definition make him unlucky. Now, "most" would take a lot more research but in modern times I don't think he's wrong.

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Re: 2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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JPower wrote:
10 Sep 2025, 14:54
diffuser wrote:
10 Sep 2025, 04:54
JPower wrote:
10 Sep 2025, 02:47


Statistically, he's pretty damn unlucky. From my count, 61 retirements that weren't from collisions or spins. That's 14% of his races.

By comparison, Hamilton is at 5%, Verstappen around 9%.
Hülkenberg has earned a total of 608 career points across 246 Formula One entries (242 starts), with one podium, one pole position, and two fastest laps to his name.
What's your point? That's mainly down to Hulk not being in cars able to accomplish those heights. Doesn't mean he's unlucky.

The rate at which Alonso has retired from races from things out of his control is much higher than his peers, which would by definition make him unlucky. Now, "most" would take a lot more research but in modern times I don't think he's wrong.
That there is more than 1 way at looking at luck.

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Re: 2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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diffuser wrote:
10 Sep 2025, 16:40
JPower wrote:
10 Sep 2025, 14:54
diffuser wrote:
10 Sep 2025, 04:54


Hülkenberg has earned a total of 608 career points across 246 Formula One entries (242 starts), with one podium, one pole position, and two fastest laps to his name.
What's your point? That's mainly down to Hulk not being in cars able to accomplish those heights. Doesn't mean he's unlucky.

The rate at which Alonso has retired from races from things out of his control is much higher than his peers, which would by definition make him unlucky. Now, "most" would take a lot more research but in modern times I don't think he's wrong.
That there is more than 1 way at looking at luck.
I think its pretty clear in what context ALonso is using the word but OK.