2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Sergej]

There's some Italian media outlets reporting that people in Maranello aren't happy with Leclerc because he's been more vocal about the car being bad recently.

Now these articles are more than likely BS and none of these outlets have real connections with Ferrari (at least not with the engineering team) the only way this could be real is if Ferrari planted it themselves, not out of the question but we have no way of knowing. Either way what worries me is that these kinds of sentiments also happened when rumors of Vettel leaving started in 2019. Articles about his faith in the team wavering, pointing out his changing demeanor in interviews, discourse from the media about how some parts of the team dislike him, hell, even the interviews from people around them add to the fire (Leclerc's manager said last week that "all drivers need to be open to changes") Exactly the same "beginning of the end" vibes of their relationship with Ferrari breaking down.

I know people here want Leclerc to leave the team and I understand that for his own sake. But as a Ferrari fan I'd much rather he stay. It just unfortunately seems like all the signs are pointing to him leaving in 2027, and every week I grow more confident about this.

Living in Italy, I know very well this type of dynamics, the point is not if the spreaded info is true or not, the point is that it's being reported, and since this info is 99% fed by Ferrari themselves to the press, it means that a huge shitstorm is going on behind the scenes at Maranello. We've already seen this many times, with Raikkonen 16 years ago, with Alonso, finally with Vettel.

If I was a Ferrari fan I would be quite worried because when this kind of things start coming out, it doesn't bode well. Another problem is that we're not at season finale, still a quarter of a season is to be run, honestly I don't know how they will be able to afford this shitstorm for 2 more months.

[MattLightBlue]

There's some Italian media outlets reporting that people in Maranello aren't happy with Leclerc because he's been more vocal about the car being bad recently.

Now these articles are more than likely BS and none of these outlets have real connections with Ferrari (at least not with the engineering team) the only way this could be real is if Ferrari planted it themselves, not out of the question but we have no way of knowing. Either way what worries me is that these kinds of sentiments also happened when rumors of Vettel leaving started in 2019. Articles about his faith in the team wavering, pointing out his changing demeanor in interviews, discourse from the media about how some parts of the team dislike him, hell, even the interviews from people around them add to the fire (Leclerc's manager said last week that "all drivers need to be open to changes") Exactly the same "beginning of the end" vibes of their relationship with Ferrari breaking down.

I know people here want Leclerc to leave the team and I understand that for his own sake. But as a Ferrari fan I'd much rather he stay. It just unfortunately seems like all the signs are pointing to him leaving in 2027, and every week I grow more confident about this.

Living in Italy, I know very well this type of dynamics, the point is not if the spreaded info is true or not, the point is that it's being reported, and since this info is 99% fed by Ferrari themselves to the press, it means that a huge shitstorm is going on behind the scenes at Maranello. We've already seen this many times, with Raikkonen 16 years ago, with Alonso, finally with Vettel.

If I was a Ferrari fan I would be quite worried because when this kind of things start coming out, it doesn't bode well. Another problem is that we're not at season finale, still a quarter of a season is to be run, honestly I don't know how they will be able to afford this shitstorm for 2 more months.

As a Ferrari fan, if next year car is not fighting for championship, I will be more than happy with Charles leaving. I can not stand this situation of a great driver who is bot able to compete.

[yooogurt]

As a Ferrari fan, if next year car is not fighting for championship, I will be more than happy with Charles leaving. I can not stand this situation of a great driver who is bot able to compete.

Sounds like you're a Charles fan, not a Ferrari fan.

[bluechris]

As a Ferrari fan, if next year car is not fighting for championship, I will be more than happy with Charles leaving. I can not stand this situation of a great driver who is bot able to compete.

Sounds like you're a Charles fan, not a Ferrari fan.

One can be both, we all love the guy, how anyone will hold him a grudge if he leaves? we will still support Ferrari but we will continue support him also as a person and as a huge talent no matter in which team he goes.
I am asking myself all the last years, why i like Max, ok at start he was crashing and he was reckless alot but who can say that that guy is not a Top driver, one of the best ever and we are lucky that he is in F1?
For me the things are crystal clear in my mind in everything, i 1st love F1, then i support Ferrari but i dont hate noone, i just dont like some pay drivers and thats it.

[yooogurt]

One can be both, we all love the guy, how anyone will hold him a grudge if he leaves? we will still support Ferrari but we will continue support him also as a person and as a huge talent no matter in which team he goes.
I am asking myself all the last years, why i like Max, ok at start he was crashing and he was reckless alot but who can say that that guy is not a Top driver, one of the best ever and we are lucky that he is in F1?
For me the things are crystal clear in my mind in everything, i 1st love F1, then i support Ferrari but i dont hate noone, i just dont like some pay drivers and thats it.

Of course you can, but it’s one thing to support him if he leaves for another team, and quite another to wish for the team to lose one of the main talents of the generation.

[MattLightBlue]

One can be both, we all love the guy, how anyone will hold him a grudge if he leaves? we will still support Ferrari but we will continue support him also as a person and as a huge talent no matter in which team he goes.
I am asking myself all the last years, why i like Max, ok at start he was crashing and he was reckless alot but who can say that that guy is not a Top driver, one of the best ever and we are lucky that he is in F1?
For me the things are crystal clear in my mind in everything, i 1st love F1, then i support Ferrari but i dont hate noone, i just dont like some pay drivers and thats it.

Of course you can, but it’s one thing to support him if he leaves for another team, and quite another to wish for the team to lose one of the main talents of the generation.

It is not about wishing, it is about being objective and admitting that right now Ferrari doesn’t deserve a top level driver. Just imagine how better this season could have been if Charles and Max were McLaren lineup.
Of course I would be sad for Ferrari, but I would also be happy for Leclerc to have a winning seat.

[yooogurt]

It is not about wishing, it is about being objective and admitting that right now Ferrari doesn’t deserve a top level driver. Just imagine how better this season could have been if Charles and Max were McLaren lineup.
Of course I would be sad for Ferrari, but I would also be happy for Leclerc to have a winning seat.

You were either manipulated, or you were overwhelmed by negative emotions. Because if you recall the throes of reorganization that SF25 underwent, the current TD arrived only toward the end of development,and about 60-80 engineers were replaced during the development process (according to open sources, perhaps more), and the reorganization process is not complete and is still ongoing, with new hires and dismissals expected. But people demand from the team that it has already been formed for a long time and should produce results, but this does not happen, and in the best case, the first car built by the Vasser team will be in 26, and ideally in 27.

[Mattchu]

Uncanny

[woocasz]

From Charles Leclerc’s camp comes the message that it’s time to shift decision-making from the heart to the head: the new technical cycle cannot be wasted.

Talks are ongoing with other teams looking toward 2027, as the driver cannot risk his entire career out of loyalty to the Scuderia.

Earlier, there were reports of talks between Charles' manager and other TP (Brown, Wolff, Stroll)

That could really shake things up. Not sure who’s seat is safe besides Max, if Charles is on the market


and another one...
Luca Moschini, Mechanical Process Engineer has announced his departure on LinkedIn after two years at Ferrari.

[deadhead]

Not sure who’s seat is safe besides Max, if Charles is on the market

If PIA takes the title I doubt McLaren will let him go and NOR is well protected there despite his performance.

Stroll is untouchable.

Other than that and VER no one is “safe” from a LEC move

[ScuderiaLeo]

This debate over whether it's okay to support Leclerc is pointless and irrelevant. Many Tifosi I know will still support Leclerc after he leaves. That doesn't mean they love Ferrari any less... It's normal to get attached to someone who's been with the team for so long even after they leave. I won't follow him but I'd be happy for him if he won elsewhere.

Most teams fear failure, Ferrari embrace it. They like the idea of a rebuild more than actually doing it. Just look at how Ferrari has behaved through history. You’ve never been allowed to criticize the car. It feels like people at Ferrari doesn't know how to handle constructive feedback. The culture of constant self-improvement is foreign to them.

The only silver lining is New regs in ~6 months means none of the current shortcomings really matter.

They still matter very much because these problems won't go away with the new regs. In fact they may just get worse if they don't start on the right foot, we'll see more tension, more blaming, and this time we can't use "next year is the new regulations" as an excuse.

[JPower]

Just because you disagreed with it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. To the point, if Leclerc goes, Ferrari is finished.

Ehhh, I don't know about that. Like any storied sports team, someone good will always take a risk on the chance of becoming the next legend even in the down periods. Seen it way too many times in all major sports.

In the short term (2026-2029). Leclerc's departure won't happen in isolation. If those conditions are met, then Hamilton will also retire and there will be more fall out (Vasseur gone). It will take some years to rebuild the team's vision.

I understand there can be ongoing effects, I just don't see them as being enough to claim they'd be "finished".

Leclerc is a great driver no doubt, but his impact to the organization isn't Schumacher-level. Hamilton and Fred haven't been there long enough for it to radically change with their departure either.

It may be in a zombie state for a year or two, but it has enough pull and monetary resources to bounce back fairly quickly, unlike a McLaren or Williams.

[dans79]

[AR3-GP]

Ehhh, I don't know about that. Like any storied sports team, someone good will always take a risk on the chance of becoming the next legend even in the down periods. Seen it way too many times in all major sports.

In the short term (2026-2029). Leclerc's departure won't happen in isolation. If those conditions are met, then Hamilton will also retire and there will be more fall out (Vasseur gone). It will take some years to rebuild the team's vision.

I understand there can be ongoing effects, I just don't see them as being enough to claim they'd be "finished".

Leclerc is a great driver no doubt, but his impact to the organization isn't Schumacher-level. Hamilton and Fred haven't been there long enough for it to radically change with their departure either.

It may be in a zombie state for a year or two, but it has enough pull and monetary resources to bounce back fairly quickly, unlike a McLaren or Williams.

I don’t mean to single out Leclerc, but I really think he is the tip of the iceberg. If the conditions are met, it won’t just be him leaving. It will be Ham, Vass, and many engineers. So he is a litmus test of sorts.

What is it that Ferrari would bounce back to? They haven’t been “back” since 20 years ago. The current iterations of Ferrari usually stumble for half of every season. I’m finding it hard to imagine that if there is a medium sized exodus, that this would come back within a year or two. The next regs cycle would be lost. Maybe a handful of wins, like now, but the goal is much bigger than that.

[venkyhere]

Really ?
"closing up partially/reducing the size of" brake ducts adds downforce ? (or reduces drag rather?)
Can someone explain in simple language how it adds downforce ?