2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[dans79]

Well, you already did and frankly it's ridiculous.

LO, ok.......

Well they are correct, you've made your personal view of CH crystal clear. However, this being a technical forum and taking Ferrari team performance over substantial periods in defecit to all the other high performers, places that personal character view in virtually worthless position.

Tell me, what technical benefits do you think Horner is going to bring to Ferrari should he be hired?

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Granted, its just a rumor but to think Elkann wouldn't reach out is extremely naive.

He shouldn't have. Imo over the last decade Horner has become the most entitled/narcissistic/antagonistic/toxic individual in f1 if not all of motorsports. Imo, he should be banned from all forms of motorsports for life!

In a series that has increasingly put more and more emphasis on technical expertise corner is useless.

I'd add I'm trying very very hard to not express exactly how I feel about Horner!

Well, you already did and frankly it's ridiculous.

Your personal feelings aside, Horner is one of the absolute greats of the sport as far as TPs go and his track record is far above anything Fred has to show at this point.

That being said, I don't think Horner could turn around the issues that Ferrari has on his own. What the team needs is a superstar who has the pull to bring together a dream team of big names from other teams who want to write history together. Just like Schumacher did at the time.

Hamilton could have been that guy but obviously he did not have the pull and relationships to make people follow him on his mission unfortunately.

Agreed.

I am far from a Horner fan, in fact I will openly state that I cannot stand the guy, at least how he comes across in interviews etc.

BUT, I cannot deny the success that the Red Bull Racing team that he built up has had. Would he bring that sort of success to Ferrari? Who knows. Would his way of working fit in with Ferrari? I actually don’t think it would.

I also think there is something to the rumours that he wants to be a part-owner of a team, like Toto is at Mercedes, so that would make him very unlikely to go to Ferrari as I cannot see the Scuderia offering him that.

[Farnborough]

LO, ok.......

Well they are correct, you've made your personal view of CH crystal clear. However, this being a technical forum and taking Ferrari team performance over substantial periods in defecit to all the other high performers, places that personal character view in virtually worthless position.

Tell me, what technical benefits do you think Horner is going to bring to Ferrari should he be hired?

He doesn't need to .... management is targeting, apointing, facilitating people who can do the task required. Thats his skills, putting people in places at which THEY can be effective, it's nothing about his own technical skills.

An old adage of management "always appoint someone that can do that job better than you" springs to mind. Its self fulfilling.

TP doesn't really need any technical skill, just those who are recruited.

[dans79]

And tell me again how many important technical people left Red Bull when Horner was running the team?

[f1isgood]

And tell me again how many important technical people left Red Bull when Horner was running the team?

How many people joined Red Bull when Horner was the TP? Horner is the most successful TP on the grid and has proven track record to show for it. Every win that Red Bull has had is Horner's win and if RBPT is actually successful in 2026, that will also fully fall on Horner's record for keeping a racing team successful.

You have a personal issue with Horner. It's fine. But your feelings and other fans feelings are irrelevant when it comes to winning. He knows how to do it consistently better than any other TP on the grid. If I were Ferrari and decided to give full power to one man to actually win, it would be an obvious choice.

But it's Ferrari and they are unlikely to not intervene, so for other reasons I see a pairing unlikely.

[Farnborough]

And tell me again how many important technical people left Red Bull when Horner was running the team?

Do you have any real idea of how a competent management team is structured ?

One aspect is that as success comes from initial wave of appointments and achievements, then succession planning should bring along understudy, then longer range recruitment to come after that. Those top tier achievers are highly prized to competitor companies, there's always risk there.

It's testament to how RB has been run that they continue at the level they are currently with those following on after the headliners departure.

This being the Ferrari thread though .... the above being exactly what Ferrari have not done over the years .... demonstrated by the absence of high level success.

The TP is the facilitator of this crucial process.

[dans79]

Do you have any real idea of how a competent management team is structured ?

I do, I have been a very technical employee, as well as the manager of very technical employee's at a large company. During my career i can point to several instance where a company or project succeeded in spite of none technical senior management, not because of them.

The TP is the facilitator of this crucial process.

We will have to agree to disagree on that, because Red Bull lost a lot of important people at the end of Horner's tenure, and went from dominant in 2023, to an also ran this year. (currently 3rd in the wdc and 4th in the WCC).

[Farnborough]

Your obvious and personal distaste of CH appears to completely obscure simple objective evaluation in the views you give.

Factually though, CH has been monumental in achievement of technical performance over 20yr period .... Ferarri hasn't.

Yes I agree to disagree, no amount of personal slight toward someone can overrule that record in my view.

I make no observation on a personal outlook for CH or FV for that matter, preferring to watch what they achieve and judge that outcome .... as that is what really matters here.

[lio007]

Ferrari already has a TP with a technically background. FV has a degree in Aeronautical Engineering.

[dans79]

All left RB when Horner was still running the team, he did a great job ..........................................

Adrian Newey
Jonathan Wheatley
Rob Marshall
Will Courtenay
Steve Winstanley
Michael Broadhurst
Vin Dhanani

[deadhead]

All left RB when Horner was still running the team, he did a great job ..........................................

Adrian Newey
Jonathan Wheatley
Rob Marshall
Will Courtenay
Steve Winstanley
Michael Broadhurst
Vin Dhanani

With all of these people gone RBs technical team still stronger than Ferrari

[Farnborough]

All left RB when Horner was still running the team, he did a great job ..........................................

Adrian Newey
Jonathan Wheatley
Rob Marshall
Will Courtenay
Steve Winstanley
Michael Broadhurst
Vin Dhanani

Your personal distaste for CH doesn't seem to fit in a Ferrari thread, discussion of their (RB) staffing should be located somewhere else in reality.

There would appear no point in further discussion here .... until he's employed by Ferrari

Likely it will be removed as off topic.

[dans79]

There would appear no point in further discussion here .... until he's employed by Ferrari

Likely it will be removed as off topic.

Since it seems your only reason for responding, is to argue a topic not related to Ferrari, perhaps your posts should be removed as well!

[bluechris]

Your obvious and personal distaste of CH appears to completely obscure simple objective evaluation in the views you give.

Factually though, CH has been monumental in achievement of technical performance over 20yr period .... Ferarri hasn't.

Yes I agree to disagree, no amount of personal slight toward someone can overrule that record in my view.

I make no observation on a personal outlook for CH or FV for that matter, preferring to watch what they achieve and judge that outcome .... as that is what really matters here.

CH had Newey with blank card to do whatever he wanted all the previous years, for that he deserves all the credit in the world and that's all about him.

[Xyz22]

Hiring Horner to replace Vasseur without a serious plan to fix what is wrong wouldn't change absolutely anything.
The team need to rebuild the entire technical area, which is absolutely not up to par to even think about fighting for the world championship.

Theoretically, that's what you'd bring in Horner to do among other things. Use his expertise from building Red Bull to remake how Ferrari operates.

He's one of the only people I can see being given that type of latitude at this point. Wouldn't be worth it for either party otherwise.

Yeah but they need to give him the money in order to do this right. In order to attract the best engineers, Ferrari must offer significantly higher salaries compared to the current ones.
This is also the reason why Ferrari has fallen behind, that is not giving salaries high enough.